[Danube]

Originally Posted by phylt

I JUST KNEW!!! After seeing the Thread title, that some would scoff at this.

The Champ players scoff at Executive play.

The Champ and Executive scoff at P&P.

I find it appalling when folks look down at others. Easy example is some of the previous responses.

Mat play - So what? No chewed up grounds to drive from. Shorter holes - So what? good short game practice. Only 2 clubs - So wrong. Depends upon the skill and ability of the golfer.

P&P is GREAT for short game practice and FUN. P&P is relaxing and can be challenging for some. It's a nice walk for 9 or 18 holes.

Why look down on P&P? Florida's Friendliest Home Town hits yet again.

What I get from the Real Golfers here is that no Real Golfer would EVER hit from a mat or play on a P&P course. Those are for losers.

And don't even mention miniature aka putt-putt "golf".

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Danube

What I get from the Real Golfers here is that no Real Golfer would EVER hit from a mat or play on a P&P course. Those are for losers.

And don't even mention miniature aka putt-putt "golf".

I would love to see how the championship golfers would do on a pitch & putt. I assume that they would be well under par - but you still have to putt!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rwirish

No, it is not golf. It is pitch and putt.

Originally Posted by phylt

I JUST KNEW!!! After seeing the Thread title, that some would scoff at this.

The Champ players scoff at Executive play.

The Champ and Executive scoff at P&P.

I find it appalling when folks look down at others. Easy example is some of the previous responses.

Mat play - So what? No chewed up grounds to drive from. Shorter holes - So what? good short game practice. Only 2 clubs - So wrong. Depends upon the skill and ability of the golfer.

P&P is GREAT for short game practice and FUN. P&P is relaxing and can be challenging for some. It's a nice walk for 9 or 18 holes.

Why look down on P&P? Florida's Friendliest Home Town hits yet again.

The above, is the disconnect.

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?

We have "softball" & we have "baseball". Luckily, different names.

We have "Pickleball" & we have "Tennis". They came up a different name, thankfully.

Unfortunately, there appears to be only 1 word for hitting a ball with a club and aiming for a hole in the ground .... golf. Personally, I think it's unfortunate that golf has been around so long, the USGA & R&A never trademarked the name.

I suppose it's something like Drone "Pilots", calling themselves "Pilots". People who are licensed to fly a real airplane, hauling around live people, are offended by it.

Golf is no different. People who play golf on a 6000 yard golf course, with (4) Par 3 holes, are offended by people who say ... "oh, I have 17 holes in one", when those HIO's came on an shortened Executive or P&P golf courses. It's an entirely differently level of accomplishment.

I posted basically this same post, 3 years ago. The sport of Golf is regulated by the USGA & the R&A. If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". You may be hitting a golf type ball, with a golf type club ... but you're not playing golf if you're on an Executive course, Pitch & Putt course or even if you're playing on a Championship Course and playing "Villages Friendly Golf Rules".

I think it's great that there are alternatives types of sports & games for folks to play in The Villages, but playing a round of golf on a 6000 yard traditional Championship golf course, is a world away from playing a Pitch & Putt course, just as "flying" a drone is a long way from flying a AirBus 320.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The above, is the disconnect.

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?

We have "softball" & we have "baseball". Luckily, different names.

We have "Pickleball" & we have "Tennis". They came up a different name, thankfully.

Unfortunately, there appears to be only 1 word for hitting a ball with a club and aiming for a hole in the ground .... golf. Personally, I think it's unfortunate that golf has been around so long, the USGA & R&A never trademarked the name.

I suppose it's something like Drone "Pilots", calling themselves "Pilots". People who are licensed to fly a real airplane, hauling around live people, are offended by it.

Golf is no different. People who play golf on a 6000 yard golf course, with (4) Par 3 holes, are offended by people who say ... "oh, I have 17 holes in one", when those HIO's came on an shortened Executive or P&P golf courses. It's an entirely differently level of accomplishment.

I posted basically this same post, 3 years ago. The sport of Golf is regulated by the USGA & the R&A. If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". You may be hitting a golf type ball, with a golf type club ... but you're not playing golf if you're on an Executive course, Pitch & Putt course or even if you're playing on a Championship Course and playing "Villages Friendly Golf Rules".

I think it's great that there are alternatives types of sports & games for folks to play in The Villages, but playing a round of golf on a 6000 yard traditional Championship golf course, is a world away from playing a Pitch & Putt course, just as "flying" a drone is a long way from flying a AirBus 320.

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---sorry. word games. Semantics. "If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". All types of car racing. I really don't care if it's NASCAR or anything else. Tennis on clay, cement, grass, or anything else.

IMO - just have fun playing golf. Whether it's putting on a putting course. Or Pitch&Putt on those courses. Pick up a club and go to a driving range (even off mats...) Or drive a Par 5 at 500 yards. Or a Par 3 at 120 yards. Go out and have fun. And BTW - watch the new TGL - indoor projection golf. It's ALL great. I simply do not understand, or agree with, looking down on having fun playing GOLF.

[FloridaGuy66]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Word on the street is some may be converted to an executive course.

Highly doubtful. I would really like to know this "word on the street" source.

I've played all the pitch and putts and I don't see how any of them could be converted into an executive.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Danube

What I get from the Real Golfers here is that no Real Golfer would EVER hit from a mat or play on a P&P course. Those are for losers.

And don't even mention miniature aka putt-putt "golf".

The only problem I have with playing on these pitch and putts are the "pads" you have to tee off on. They are an indoor outdoor carpet covered concrete pad. Hit it low and feel the vibrating strike up the club! There are specific plastic tees made for them .

[Rainger99]

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?
No.

Baseball and softball are not the same.

Pickleball and tennis are not the same.

Running 100 yards is not the same as a marathon.

Although I have never played on a PGA course, I believe that playing a “Championship” course in the Villages is not the same as playing a PGA course.

The question about a P&P tournament was not to suggest that the championship courses and the P&P courses were similar.

Please note that the Masters has a Drive, Pitch, and Putt tournament every year. And they also have a Par 3 tournament. Is that golf?

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by phylt

I JUST KNEW!!! After seeing the Thread title, that some would scoff at this.

The Champ players scoff at Executive play.

The Champ and Executive scoff at P&P.

I find it appalling when folks look down at others. Easy example is some of the previous responses.

Mat play - So what? No chewed up grounds to drive from. Shorter holes - So what? good short game practice. Only 2 clubs - So wrong. Depends upon the skill and ability of the golfer.

P&P is GREAT for short game practice and FUN. P&P is relaxing and can be challenging for some. It's a nice walk for 9 or 18 holes.

Why look down on P&P? Florida's Friendliest Home Town hits yet again.

Bonus in TV nobody cares if one doesn’t play pickleball, tennis, golf, or own a golf cart. Or enjoy or thinks P&P is a waste of space should have been an exec, because one can’t get tee times.

Has nothing to do with looking down on any player. In fact the thought process of the design P&P to get beginner golfers interested and those who found exec just too challenging. Problem for those golfers if they can’t walk 10 feet from cart to tee, they definitely aren’t walking any P&P.

Executive tee times are hard to acquire. Championship have their regular golfers who frequent often, especially enhanced members.

Like any individual club choice and count is different, but you see very few who carry full bag on P&P, but 4club bag.

Mat that not even a personal choice for anyone who take great care of their clubs, and didn’t come from garage sale.

Our grandchildren won’t play P&P, because they find it boring, extreme slow play. But the number one reason, P&P cost the same to play an executive.
Then again they golf at our CC and one works summers to pay for fun stuff at school.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?
No.

Baseball and softball are not the same.

What's the difference, besides "size"?

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?
No.

So 1 is "Football" and the other is not?

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Pickleball and tennis are not the same.

What's the difference? The size of the racket, size of the court and age of the participants?

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Running 100 yards is not the same as a marathon.

Exactly. Which is why they have different names. "Marthoner" vs "Runner".

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Although I have never played on a PGA course, I believe that playing a “Championship” course in the Villages is not the same as playing a PGA course.

It is exactly the same, other than perhaps the difficulty factor, which is factored into scoring, via the GHIN system.

Originally Posted by Rainger99

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Please note that the Masters has a Drive, Pitch, and Putt tournament every year. And they also have a Par 3 tournament. Is that golf?

No and I've yet to see anyone suggest that it is. It's an initiative to grow the game, just as Executive & P&P course were originally conceived.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

What's the difference, besides "size"?




So 1 is "Football" and the other is not?



What's the difference? The size of the racket, size of the court and age of the participants?



Exactly. Which is why they have different names. "Marthoner" vs "Runner".



It is exactly the same, other than perhaps the difficulty factor, which is factored into scoring, via the GHIN system.



No and I've yet to see anyone suggest that it is. It's an initiative to grow the game, just as Executive & P&P course were originally conceived.

Nice response and true. Sometimes those who only play Championship come across as snobs. IMO. Like those driving a Mercedes or such looking down on those driving a small Chevy. It’s a CAR! Enjoy the drive.
As long as a person picks up a set of clubs and balls (and btw they don’t need to be ProV1…) and goes to a course, no matter the size, enjoy and have a fun time. And no matter if it’s 500 yards or 70, enjoy the drive.
Why can’t some folks here simply go out and have a good time playing GOLF???

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The above, is the disconnect.

Is "Flag Football" or "Touch Football", the same game as the NFL plays?

We have "softball" & we have "baseball". Luckily, different names.

We have "Pickleball" & we have "Tennis". They came up a different name, thankfully.

Unfortunately, there appears to be only 1 word for hitting a ball with a club and aiming for a hole in the ground .... golf. Personally, I think it's unfortunate that golf has been around so long, the USGA & R&A never trademarked the name.

I suppose it's something like Drone "Pilots", calling themselves "Pilots". People who are licensed to fly a real airplane, hauling around live people, are offended by it.

Golf is no different. People who play golf on a 6000 yard golf course, with (4) Par 3 holes, are offended by people who say ... "oh, I have 17 holes in one", when those HIO's came on an shortened Executive or P&P golf courses. It's an entirely differently level of accomplishment.

I posted basically this same post, 3 years ago. The sport of Golf is regulated by the USGA & the R&A. If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". You may be hitting a golf type ball, with a golf type club ... but you're not playing golf if you're on an Executive course, Pitch & Putt course or even if you're playing on a Championship Course and playing "Villages Friendly Golf Rules".

I think it's great that there are alternatives types of sports & games for folks to play in The Villages, but playing a round of golf on a 6000 yard traditional Championship golf course, is a world away from playing a Pitch & Putt course, just as "flying" a drone is a long way from flying a AirBus 320.

You seem to be the only one comparing the two...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by phylt

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---sorry. word games. Semantics. "If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". All types of car racing. I really don't care if it's NASCAR or anything else. Tennis on clay, cement, grass, or anything else.

IMO - just have fun playing golf. Whether it's putting on a putting course. Or Pitch&Putt on those courses. Pick up a club and go to a driving range (even off mats...) Or drive a Par 5 at 500 yards. Or a Par 3 at 120 yards. Go out and have fun. And BTW - watch the new TGL - indoor projection golf. It's ALL great. I simply do not understand, or agree with, looking down on having fun playing GOLF.

Golf Snobs...

Just like the "Food Snobs" who insist that TV restaurants only appeal to people with no sense of taste..

Play what you enjoy. Eat at restaurants you enjoy. The snobs can pound sand...

[UpNorth]

Make it interesting - one club limit. Would take some real skills.

[Rainger99]

[QUOTE=BrianL99;2419701It's an initiative to grow the game, just as Executive & P&P course were originally conceived.[/QUOTE]

And wouldn’t a P&P tournament be an initiative to grow the game for those people who aren’t good enough to play championship tournaments?

Please note that people would not be required to play in a P&P tournament. It would be voluntary.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rwirish

No, it is not golf. It is pitch and putt.

Originally Posted by phylt

I JUST KNEW!!! After seeing the Thread title, that some would scoff at this.

The Champ players scoff at Executive play.

The Champ and Executive scoff at P&P.

I find it appalling when folks look down at others. Easy example is some of the previous responses.

Mat play - So what? No chewed up grounds to drive from. Shorter holes - So what? good short game practice. Only 2 clubs - So wrong. Depends upon the skill and ability of the golfer.

P&P is GREAT for short game practice and FUN. P&P is relaxing and can be challenging for some. It's a nice walk for 9 or 18 holes.

Why look down on P&P? Florida's Friendliest Home Town hits yet again.

Originally Posted by Danube

What I get from the Real Golfers here is that no Real Golfer would EVER hit from a mat or play on a P&P course. Those are for losers.

And don't even mention miniature aka putt-putt "golf".

Originally Posted by phylt

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---sorry. word games. Semantics. "If you're not playing the game as it's regulated, you're not playing "golf". All types of car racing. I really don't care if it's NASCAR or anything else. Tennis on clay, cement, grass, or anything else.

IMO - just have fun playing golf. Whether it's putting on a putting course. Or Pitch&Putt on those courses. Pick up a club and go to a driving range (even off mats...) Or drive a Par 5 at 500 yards. Or a Par 3 at 120 yards. Go out and have fun. And BTW - watch the new TGL - indoor projection golf. It's ALL great. I simply do not understand, or agree with, looking down on having fun playing GOLF.

Originally Posted by Rainger99

And wouldn’t a P&P tournament be an initiative to grow the game for those people who aren’t good enough to play championship tournaments?

Please note that people would not be required to play in a P&P tournament. It would be voluntary.

I'm all in for Exec "golf" & Pitch & Putt "golf" or any other sport folks want to play at or learn. I'm merely pointing out the fact that using the same word for traditional USGA Golf and the various versions available in The Villages, leads to some of the attitudes that surround the subject.

Things like hearing about all the "Hole in Ones", that were nothing more than simple chip shots, at a P&P course. Or folks complaining on either side of the Dress Code issue, as it applies to Exec courses.

I think it would be different, if there were different names. No one confuses softball with baseball. No one confuses pickleball with tennis. No one should be looking down on folks who play the P&P courses or Exec courses, but when those players put themselves and their accomplishments into the same category as those who play the Championship courses, the disconnect or derision is inevitable.

Golf is very difficult game. Golfers spend huge amounts of time, money & effort to become reasonably proficient at it. In my opinion, anyone who carries a single digit handicap, is a good golfer. I'm under a 5.0 Index. I made a HIO in TV last year. 172 Yards. One of the guys in the group I was playing with, told me he had 11 HIO's. When he was out of earshot, his friend told me that he usually plays P&P courses or Exec courses and counts those. It's not the same thing and hearing it, irks most golfers who take the game seriously.

I'll use the drone analogy again. When I hear a drone operator calling himself a "pilot", my blood boils. Getting a certificate to fly a drone, is not much more demanding than getting a license to drive a car. Trust me, getting a real Airmen's Certificate to fly an airplane, is entirely different process and not so easy or cheap.

Then again, in the social media world, CNA's call themselves "Medical Professionals" so I guess it's not just golf or flying.