[Pugchief]

Sportsguy, I don't dispute anything you said, but it has nothing to do with my assertion.

[JohnN]

I am cynical these days that our government is good at much of L. Look at social security, the other item we've contributed to all of our lives besides medicare./ Look at the constant political of infighting between right and left, is there no longer a middle of the road that's good for people?

I still don't think the government compares to private industry, profits aside. Whatever profits the privates make is more than made up with bloated, inefficient government. Just my opinion and I'm set on this one.

[MplsPete]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It’s absolutely amazing the amount of stuff one gets in the mail starting six months before turning 65. ... it becomes clearly apparent there is a very strong riptide trying to flush the recipient into the Advantage Plan cesspool. There is no attempt to guide the recipient in the direction of traditional Medicare with a supplemental (Medigap) plan. Read into that as you please, but I know how I interpret it.

I know why. The reason why there is no great push for Supplemental plans, is the same reason you can buy Advantage plans for zero cost.

The Government pays the Adv. plan about $1100 per month to provide your healthcare.
In Supp. plans there is no flow of funds from government to the plan to take care of the enrollee, so the plans are more expensive.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by JohnN

I am cynical these days that our government is good at much of L. Look at social security, the other item we've contributed to all of our lives besides medicare./ Look at the constant political of infighting between right and left, is there no longer a middle of the road that's good for people?

I still don't think the government compares to private industry, profits aside. Whatever profits the privates make is more than made up with bloated, inefficient government. Just my opinion and I'm set on this one.

I am of the belief insurance companies are not your best friend and I'll take original Medicare any day over "managed" healthcare.

[JohnN]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I am of the belief insurance companies are not your best friend and I'll take original Medicare any day over "managed" healthcare.

To me, neither the government nor the insurance companies are my best friend. All of them have their hands in my pockets. We are basically food, all service entities feed on us. So, the issue is where is your best bet for your pound of flesh. To each their own, I respect all choices.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by JohnN

To me, neither the government nor the insurance companies are my best friend. All of them have their hands in my pockets. We are basically food, all service entities feed on us. So, the issue is where is your best bet for your pound of flesh. To each their own, I respect all choices.

I get that but at least the government is elected and needs our votes. It doesn't have to satisfy the "get something for nothing stockholders" with a huge profit over costs. I worked in the industry, I'll stick with my choice and you need to do what works for you.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Sportsguy, I don't dispute anything you said, but it has nothing to do with my assertion.

if you say so, but all industries and companies having EMRS, or electronic database systems with specs and tasks, such as JIRA, and SAP, oracle, etc, inventory management systems, transportation logistics systems, but you are insisting that having EMRS or digital databases is somehow bad and shouldn't have been done,

EMRs is just an operational database customized for the healthcare industry. Yes, they are expensive and was a huge one time increase, and bigger maintenance fee, but since the government required it to force the industry to modernize and the government is now making the hospitals more efficient in many ways, you are saying that the government is the sole cause of increased healthcare costs at the expense of paper records and no standardization. .

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

if you say so, but all industries and companies having EMRS, or electronic database systems with specs and tasks, such as JIRA, and SAP, oracle, etc, inventory management systems, transportation logistics systems, but you are insisting that having EMRS or digital databases is somehow bad and shouldn't have been done,

EMRs is just an operational database customized for the healthcare industry. Yes, they are expensive and was a huge one time increase, and bigger maintenance fee, but since the government required it to force the industry to modernize and the government is now making the hospitals more efficient in many ways, you are saying that the government is the sole cause of increased healthcare costs at the expense of paper records and no standardization. .

No, I'm saying EMR was MANDATED by the govt, and is an enormous cost to providers both in terms of initial integration and ONGOING USE. The more time spent on EMR, the less spent on patient care and/or the higher the cost of said care. Ask your PCP if they think EMR uses more or less time than the previous method.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

No, I'm saying EMR was MANDATED by the govt, and is an enormous cost to providers both in terms of initial integration and ONGOING USE. The more time spent on EMR, the less spent on patient care and/or the higher the cost of said care. Ask your PCP if they think EMR uses more or less time than the previous method.

Yeah, EMR can be determined to be a necessary evil but if you suddenly require a specialist physician, an emergency in another city or state or change doctors it is priceless. Instant hands-on medical information can be very critical at certain periods in ones life.