[Bucco]

Some don't care to discuss health care....not sure why, but keep it simple Jack...whomever that is...
READ, UNDRSTAND, AND KNOW.

Flippant remarks re for those who do not understand, especially do not understand how people suffer as our leaders play games with their healthcare.....offer no positivity, just "cracks".

I feel for so many who have been caught up in a web of "leaders" trying to top each other, rather than trying to help.

Any remarks aimed at a teacher are, not surprisingly, mistimed. I know very little except I understand misinformation when I see it. If suggesting people read and not be subject to "stories" is an attempt to teach...I plead guilty. I plead guilty to wanting to be fully informed on such a vital subject. It does not affect me, but I have seen enough human suffering, and here we have something to fix, but instead get caught up in games and rods.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

No, I do not need to talk to anyone.

Those elected officials should be talking to each other to fix something that does save health costs, but needs work

Instead, we erase it, one piece at a time just for so..THAT WILL cause oroblems

That information is from when that program was established and has nothing to do with the last 4 years. It was weak and unpopular from the get go.

[ColdNoMore]

Even a small amount of intellectual curiosity and doing a modicum of research, will show many of the same arguments against universal or single-payer health care...as there was against establishing Social Security (and later medicare).

So how many of you want to see SS/medicare...go away now?

Although I doubt I will ever see it, I hope that my children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren's healthcare will eventually become a priority for our country...and a workable system will eventually be established.

I'm pretty sure that no one will ever catch up to us in military spending (since we outspend the NEXT 7 COUNTRIES COMBINED)... so why shouldn't some of that money go toward the health benefit of our fellow American citizens (especially our neglected veterans)?

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$121.1 billion.

That’s how much more money the United States spends on its military than 144 other countries combined, according to the latest update to available data on military expenditures compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

That’s not to mention the number by which the United States also outspends the next 7 largest military budgets combined: $40.1 billion.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

That information is from when that program was established and has nothing to do with the last 4 years. It was weak and unpopular from the get go.

Sorry, the info is current, and yes it is now been watered down, but my point is tat it worked....why scrap it without trying to adjust, and leave so many in the dark.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sorry, the info is current, and yes it is now been watered down, but my point is tat it worked....why scrap it without trying to adjust, and leave so many in the dark.

Obamacare is a terrible and costly mess rammed through by the then dominate party without even being read much less debated. It needs to be completely dismantled as soon as practicable.

How Obamacare Became Law - Brian Sussman

'''Unconstitutional''' ObamaCare is deeply flawed, and it'''s time to do away with it | Fox News

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Obamacare is a terrible and costly mess rammed through by the dominate party without even being read much less debated. It needs to be completely dismantled as soon as practicable.

As a poster who tried to stop the conversation said "where are your links to support your statement " ?

The data I supplied was from our government....I did not make it up.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Obamacare is a terrible and costly mess rammed through by the dominate party without even being read much less debated. It needs to be completely dismantled as soon as practicable.

And replaced...with what?

Let it go back to the way it was...and forget the tens of millions who it's benefited?

And yes, I understand some are a little worse off, but mostly it is those of us who had upper/top-tier coverage...to begin with.

Compared to those who had nothing previously and at least now have something, I can live with personally losing a little...but helping millions of my fellow citizens.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Thank you so much for correcting me. Important stuff.
That is what I fought for, and for what so many have died for. It has changed recently, and I worry more about that than I do about how I might type it, but thanks for correcting me.

You are quite welcome, and thank you for your service.
Words in there true context mean a lot, words out of context, or "rearranged", as is all too often done, by ALL media, groups or persons, to suite an agenda, is a dangerous thing.
That is why I corrected you.
I served also so don't think you are the only one.
Steve

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

You are quite welcome, and thank you for your service.
Words in there true context mean a lot, words out of context, or "rearranged", as is all too often done, by ALL media, groups or persons, to suite an agenda, is a dangerous thing.
That is why I corrected you.
I served also so don't think you are the only one.
Steve

I think my only problem with your post is he implication that "rearranging", "ignoring context" ....all forms of mashing truth is reserved for media types.

You and I both know that's not true.

I KNOW about those who serve, and I do not even mention much about myself, but sometimes it simply demonstrates that you have "Been there" and get it. So many, and the count seems to be increasing have forgotten exactly what they stood for and why. We served to move forwRd the American ideal of integrity, truth in serving, and respect. Thanks for your joining those who have served and honored.

[eyc234]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Even a small amount of intellectual curiosity and doing a modicum of research, will show many of the same arguments against universal or single-payer health care...as there was against establishing Social Security (and later medicare).

So how many of you want to see SS/medicare...go away now?

Although I doubt I will ever see it, I hope that my children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren's healthcare will eventually become a priority for our country...and a workable system will eventually be established.

I'm pretty sure that no one will ever catch up to us in military spending (since we outspend the NEXT 7 COUNTRIES COMBINED)... so why shouldn't some of that money go toward the health benefit of our fellow American citizens (especially our neglected veterans)?

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Hey Cold, I would have loved to opt out of SS & Medicare. Guarantee I could have done a million times better with my money. Got to retire early and have been on my own dime for healthcare for 12 years. Never calculated SS in my retirement plans so when it goes belly up I will not miss it.

HEALTHCARE
Traveled and lived in 6 different countries on their economies paying our own way and found good and bad in their healthcare systems. But never found one that was free and that if you wanted care in any decent length of time you bought outside coverage. Close friends in each of these country to this day buy upped coverage to lessen delay time and get into certain Dr's and facilities.

As far as the AHCA there is good and bad in there also, just as private insurance has many issues. In AHCA the deductibles are so high that those that do have insurance from the act see no benefit. It was suppose to be portable, state to state, it is not. When we came to Fl we had to apply at BCBS, which we already had and got less coverage for more cost. Also wife has a fantastic maternity plan, lord help me if we need that. On the other side the powers that be in congress spent our money for 6 or 7 yrs voting over and over to repeal something they had about as much chance of repealing as seeing an elephant fly. Then when they had the ability to fix/repeal they had nothing on the plate to present.

This is a highly complicated and far reaching issue with no easy answers. I still want the first thing done is find out and stop the $60 billion in fraud and waste. Stop the bleeding then look for ways to heal the patient. Wheww that was tiring, it is time for The Villages favorite sport, HAPPY HOUR!!!!

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Glad you are smart, maybe you can explain.......
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"The bottom line: cumulatively from 2010 to 2017 the ACA reduced health care spending a total of $2.3 trillion."

"In 2017 alone, health expenditures were $650 billion lower than projected, and kept health care spending under 18 percent of GDP — basically a tad over where it was in 2010 when the ACA was passed. It did all of this while expanding health coverage to more than 20 million previously uninsured Americans.

Compared to the 2010 projections, the government’s Medicare bill in 2017 was 10 percent ($70 billion) less, and spending for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program was a whopping $250 billion below expectations (partially — but only partially — due to the failure of some states to expand the program). The actuary had predicted in 2010 that employer-sponsored insurance would cost $1.21 trillion in 2017, but it came in at $1.04 trillion, a difference of $170 billion for that year.

Put another way, health care spending in 2017 was $2,000 less per person than it was projected to be. And for the 176 million Americans who have private employer-sponsored insurance, their lower premiums averaged just under $1,000 per person."

The Affordable Care Act has saved billions in health care costs - STAT
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These are government numbers and confirmed

Guess I need explained how it saved so much, yet is so horrible, and "socialist".

Compared to....oh, there is nothing to compare it to.....sorry. For the record, and you certainly can check my posts (I have been here that long) to see how I opposed it. Maybe still might but it is working and no other plan exists.

as you accurately stated the "decrease" was compared to a 2010 government ESTIMATE that turned out to be wildly inaccurate. Don't you just hate facts.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I think my only problem with your post is he implication that "rearranging", "ignoring context" ....all forms of mashing truth is reserved for media types.
You and I both know that's not true.

"reserved for media types"?

Read my post again, I never said that.
This is what I said;

"Words in there true context mean a lot, words out of context, or "rearranged", as is all too often done, by ALL media, groups or persons, to suite an agenda, is a dangerous thing."
Steve

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by npwalters

as you accurately stated the "decrease" was compared to a 2010 government ESTIMATE that turned out to be wildly inaccurate. Don't you just hate facts.

Really, in those days as I recall, the cost was estimated from zero to more money than exists.

I was one from the beginning who was alarmed at the impact on our deficit. I even used the word I have been criticizing.....socialist. I was really upset about the entire thing.

As much negativity as we see here now alarms me. I was happy to see the savings in healthcare costs that we had. THAT was the goal.

Watching the dismantling of something that did actually work, REALLY benefited so many people, and actually reduce the deficit is really sad because those doing that dismantling are doing it in a very mean spirited way. No reason given......just don't like the guy who got it do, so hurting others seems to be just shrapnel because those folks have increased the deficit so much without even offering help to those who need it.

But, to your point, new things, new estimates and they were really off,although you don't hear anyone talk about that. Might think people deserve good news.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

"reserved for media types"?

Read my post again, I never said that.
This is what I said;

"Words in there true context mean a lot, words out of context, or "rearranged", as is all too often done, by ALL media, groups or persons, to suite an agenda, is a dangerous thing."
Steve

Sorry if I misunderstood. I might be a bit sensitive because of the attacks on the media, which I think are obscene. Reading today about a well known broadcaster who denies saying things, as a video of him saying it PRECISELY as reported runs on the screen.

Just dangerous stuff.

Sorry if I offended you

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Sorry if I offended you

I'm not that easily offended, but apology(s) accepted.
Steve