[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

So, they had their vaccinations before they left on their cruise and caught covid and died anyway, right? Not trying to imply anything, just wondering if we are still wanting to blame death by covid on the unvaccinated, or finally admitting that the vaccination is not quite the miracle elixir that everyone wishes it to be. I am not down playing the worth of the vaccination, and have mine but some folks seem to believe that it is ONLY the unvaccinated that are dying from covid. We were on line every morning to get our vaccinations, driving hours to our appointment, and still caught covid. Yes, it was a mild version, but the point is that you can't depend on just a vaccination to protect you. You must be prudent in your daily activities until this thing dies out, IF it does.

Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

All about money 💰. Why stop at 4.

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

One and only flu shot was 2002, with a lovely anaphylactic reaction, good news is I have never had the flu.
1/2 dose of first Moderna vaccine with severe reaction. Big Pharm doesn’t make any money off of me.

Many don’t get flu vaccine, do quite well without

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

Interesting perspective. I know many unvaccinated individuals who easily survived COVID (I was one of them... I got it before the vaccine was available. I know a number of people who survived before the vaccine was available. One of them was on a pacemaker and had respiratory issues... yet... they survived).

I got COVID a second time after I was vaccinated twice. I was sicker the second time.

Based on my experience and knowing a number of people who have had COVID... It's just not that simple. Unvaccinated people survive. Vaccinated people who have had the booster die. (and...Unvaccinated die...Vaccinated people survive).

Personally, I think people have to do what they think is right for them. And I think people have to stop judging people for making decisions that aren't in alignment with what they might think.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I do not recall ever being told that the mRNA vaccines will prevent infection. Only "sterilizing" vaccines can prevent infection. mRNA vaccines are NOT sterilizing vaccines.

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

I have no opinion on the flu vaccine, since I have not had a flu shot since 1970 and have NEVER had the flu. I just haven't felt it necessary for me. I am glad that others get the flu shot to protect them, though. Some folks get pretty ill from the flu. Like I said, I have never had the flu (that I know of) and rarely every catch a cold. When I do catch a cold, my symptoms are usually gone in two days. I did catch the dreaded Covid, but it must have been a mild case. I did my duty and stayed home for five days (or more) and wore a mask for over five days when I went out after that.

There is no doubt that Pharma makes big bucks off of their products. That's the American way and I have no problem with it. I do hate it when other countries get the same product for a tenth of what we have to shell out for the same thing. I have no problem with folks making a profit via our Free Enterprise, but darn it cost us a bunch.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article from January 2021 quotes him as saying:

“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

[dougjb]

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

Most who are doing the whining are those who think they know best for someone else.

For some get the shot and have severe reaction..No thanks..

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

I'm not whining, but I think that I am going to skip the booster and any more until I feel I might need it. I am not going to let someone on here tell me to "get the shot...etc." just because they are scared of catching it. The shot does not keep me from giving it to you. It might help me,,,period. I got my two shots and I have had covid, therefore I have an idea of what my body can accept. Next week there is a likelihood that they will tell us to return to normal.

And yes, the military requires one to be vaccinated. However, I did not get vaccinated for the flu and was still able to work. I spent ten of my years in the military without getting the flu shot. No repercussions.

If you want to get the shot then go for it. No one is stopping you. Do not presume to demand that I get it, on the pretense that it is going to protect you.

I am not anti-vax. I've had plenty of vaccinations when I traveled overseas. But, some medications I won't take because I do not believe I need them. Example: if I do not intend on traveling to a hot spot, I am not going to take malaria medication. But, that is just me and I will NOT advise anyone else on whether they should or should not get their shots. That is a personal decision.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

No way in hell… I did my research and did not just listen to government propaganda. I will sit back and watch the long term effects.

Stay healthy by eating a proper human diet… take supplements… do some exercise and Loose Weight.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

I agree to a certain extent, but people may or may not take sound medical advice because 1) what works for the majority of people may not work for them, especially if they have noticed it in the past. For example, I was recommended way higher dosage of certain vitamins than what my body liked. 2) each person has one body, they try to do the best they can with their body. “Sound” medical advice is based on what we know about something so far… that is why as we learn more about this virus, and as the virus evolves, the advice also changes (to an extent). Your body is the only one you have so it is prudent to take the best advice you trust, observe, experience. In the end the quality of your life depends largely on the quality of care you give yourself.

(As far as Covid vac goes I’m ready for my tri-monthly appointments, bring it on!)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

But nothing like the Covid Vaccine was the point...