[jimbo2012]

Spoke to my other half, all sounds ok, the one she pointed out to ask is what is this, "very low sugar cereal".

Also you may need to cut back on the pasta, and go with more veggies.

I have other issues & questions but an open forum such as this is not the best place.

We would be happy to meet you for a drink & discuss in detail several things.
We don't mind taking our time for anyone that is truly interested as U seem to be in eating healthy.

You are on the right track and I think there is some adjustments needed or foods to be replaced. I have some ingredients and dishes to get you quick start.

I know this works, you will lose weight, you will decrease your soft plaque lower BP and have more energy, stick with it until we meet.

Everyone on a plant based diet loses weight until they reach their correct BMI, then the weight is stable.

I eat until I feel full, never hungry in 15 minutes, I bet I eat more than U.

Hang in there when the bugs are worked out of the diet you should love it and may drop some or all of your meds.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Like I said a lot of pasta, rice, quinoa with beans, corn and other vegetables. Lots of salad with lettuce, corn, beans, cucumber, celery, olives, beets, carrots and only balsamic vinegar as a dressing. Two or three beers a day. A bowl of very low sugar cereal with a banana and sometimes some blueberries and low fat, low sugar soy milk in the morning.

How many calories in a bottle of Budeiser? I looked it up on the internet. It said 129 calories. So three beers a day is nearly 400 calories. That's way too much. You can't just ignore that if you're trying to maintain an ideal healthy weight.

Then there's the pasta, rice and corn. It's not reasonable to think that you can just eat unlimited amounts of starches. I measure all starches so that I consume no more than one serving of one starch per meal. In other words, one slice of bread is one serving. So if you have one slice of bread in a meal you shouldn't have any pasta, rice, potatoes or corn in the same meal. If you choose pasta, make it one serving and don't have any other starch with it.

By the way, beer is a processed carbohydrate, is it not? So if you have a beer and lots of starchy carbs in one meal, you're asking for trouble. It's just not realistic to think that you can maintain a healthy weight this way.

[jimbo2012]

Not soo sure of that,

It may be something else, although you're not incorrect.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Not soo sure of that,

It may be something else, although you're not incorrect.

I just commented on what I know about his diet and I agree that I don't know everything about it. I guess my point would be that an overweight problem usually involves excess calorie consumption in relation to a person's activity level. Those with a very high activity level, like athletes, can consume more starchy carbs without having a weight problem. But most people are in the moderate category and need to watch carbs carefully.

Anyway, if you're looking for a weight gain culprit, where do you look? You look at foods that are calorie dense like fats and carbs and these should be measured for that reason. The only thing I know of that can be eaten in unlimited amounts is non-starchy vegetables. Not looking for an argument, just trying to put things in a better perspective.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Like I said a lot of pasta, rice, quinoa with beans, corn and other vegetables. Lots of salad with lettuce, corn, beans, cucumber, celery, olives, beets, carrots and only balsamic vinegar as a dressing. Two or three beers a day. A bowl of very low sugar cereal with a banana and sometimes some blueberries and low fat, low sugar soy milk in the morning.

You eat lots of carbs, are hungry....is there a possibility that you are diabetic or pre-diabetic? With this situation maybe you need to have your blood sugar levels checked. All sorts of things can be assumed, but it's probably better to have some tests to rule out things.

[manaboutown]

Oops. Misread the title. I thought it said 5 reasons to go to Vegas!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

You eat lots of carbs, are hungry....is there a possibility that you are diabetic or pre-diabetic? With this situation maybe you need to have your blood sugar levels checked. All sorts of things can be assumed, but it's probably better to have some tests to rule out things.

And here are some other ideas that might explain the hunger.

How big is the "big salad"? Never assume you know how big big is when someone says big. Big to me is when I make a salad that fills up a whole salad bowl (not a cereal bowl). I would say my salad is about 10 half-cup servings and holds me until dinner time. Also, I use 1 teaspoon of olive oil and I suppose that helps keep me satisfied too. One cup of beans in the salad and a slice of Ezekiel bread with the salad.

Another idea: When people decide to become vegans they may understand that they need B vitamins like B12. What if they decide to buy B complex instead of just B12? B complex may cause a person to get very hungry. Too hungry! That's what happened to me when I tried B complex many years ago. I had to stop taking this supplement after a short period of time.

[jimbo2012]

Several have for a meeting to ask questions and exchange ideas about a vegan diet I've been in touch with a few people to try arrange a meeting room for January.

If anyone know the people to contact please PM me.

I was thinking about show first the movie Forks over Kneives, about 90 minutes, then have an open Q&A, those that have see the movie can come later.

I know one of the patients that appeared in the movie, he lives in Tampa and does meeting such as these.

Would anyone be interested in this?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Several have for a meeting to ask questions and exchange ideas about a vegan diet I've been in touch with a few people to try arrange a meeting room for January.

If anyone know the people to contact please PM me.

I was thinking about show first the movie Forks over Kneives, about 90 minutes, then have an open Q&A, those that have see the movie can come later.

I know one of the patients that appeared in the movie, he lives in Tampa and does meeting such as these.

Would anyone be interested in this?

A meeting room for a one-time meeting may not be possible. However, I'll try to remember to inquire about it on monday and I'll let you know. Rooms are usually reserved for clubs with a weekly, bi-weekly or monthly commitment for club meetings. The reason is that rooms are hard to come by; there's a big demand. But I'll inquire anyway and let you know.

[Villages PL]

Correction: I actually measured my last salad and it's not 8 half-cup servings. It's more like 10 to 11 half-cups. That includes the cup of beans.

Another idea to control weight: I only have a few ears of corn when corn is in season. I estimate about 6 to 8 ears of corn. I break them in half and only eat half an ear with a meal. Eating lots of corn is a fast way to gain weight.

When I was a kid I lived on a farm and my brother told me that he would feed starches to the cattle when it was time to fatten them up for market. The main starches were corn, potatoes, grain and bread (he sometimes bought a truckload of stale bread for that purpose).

Cattle can graze on pasture grass all day long, every day, and never fatten up. So think of a green (starch free) salad as being the grass. That's what you want to concentrate on.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It is more than a diet choice it is a philosphy of life...and many don't share that way of thinking.


Many of us have ways and choices that differ from others but don't try to change another's mind about it.


When you share your private living choices in a public forum and others don't agree than....who is to call who a jerk?

Jerk isn't nice, but when you enter into a controversial subject, you are bound to stir up emotion and controversy...and RARELY change anyone's opinon.

I agree, Gracie, but when people start promoting their way of life by saying that others should feel guilty because they are killing "sentient" beings or destroying the atmosphere, they are insulting everyone that doesn't agree with those viewpoints. Even still name calling has no place on this or any other forum or in life in general for that matter.

[justjim]

For what it's worth! Just saw Hillary on news cable---obviously she is not on the same diet as Bill! I find the posts on this thread interesting but IMHO you should discuss major diet changes with your primary doctor BEFORE you participate in a diet that may or may not be beneficial to your overall health.

[jimbo2012]

Provided your doctor knows what the diet is, most don't or don't understand it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Winston I can say with authority, that it is virtually impossible to gain weight.

No one ever reported that unless they didn't realize something in their diet was wrong.

If I do set up a meeting you may want to attend, you are eating something very wrong.

I can tell you WITH AUTHORITY, that I gave up all animal products and oils for a month and gained weight.

I think that what a lot of people have said on here about corn, sugar and other carbohydrates is true. In order to lose weight you have to basically eat lettuce.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

A drop of gas on a fire, is that done in moderation?

Cute little analogy from Dr Esselstyn who admits to eating a handful of peanut butter cups every New Years Eve. Why is he throwing gasoline on his fire?

Maybe a more realistic analogy might be if there was a fire being fed by a gasoline hose and you turned down the volume of the hose by 50% would that be good?

Why does Dr Esselstyn's friend and compatriot, Dr Ornish allow egg whites and certain oils in his program? Logically, Dr Esselstyn would think that Dr Ornish just doesn't care as much about people, animals and the environment as he does.