[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Thank you for the reply, I meant in the studies where they compare unvaccinated, fully vaccinated and boosted. I wonder if the unvaccinated counts include those with one shot.

Glad you are well

Sorry, I misunderstood your original intention. I have no answer but if I am allowed to make a purely uneducated guess.........my money would be on those who only had one shot of a two shot regimen would be considered UN- Vaccinated in any study out there.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Whitley

67% of the population are fully vaccinated (2 shots) 32% are fully vaxed and up to date on boosters.
US Coronavirus vaccine tracker | USAFacts

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

But that does not address the "mutation" problem...

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

Polio was a worldwide problem. Yes, the US did a great job in mass vaccination, but the rest of the world did not. There was plenty of time for it to mutate...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Here you go...

https://youtu.be/S-2nE6AK1OU

Go to the 4 minute mark...

Thank you for providing the link. I went to the 4 minute mark as you said. What I saw was a graphic for REAL WORLD EFFECTIVENESS OF cOVID-19 VACCINES.

Symptomatic infections: 97% effective
Asymptomatic infections: 86% effective

Then there is a couple more criteria, one being 90% effective and the other being 94% effective.

Now.....from where I sit, those percentages do not indicate 100% effectiveness. That means to me that there is a percentage of people who will develop Covid. That was always my understanding of what the doctors, scientists and immunologists said to the American people. I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Polio was a worldwide problem. Yes, the US did a great job in mass vaccination, but the rest of the world did not. There was plenty of time for it to mutate...

Yes, that is a good point but our population was not overtly effected by the mutations.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

I agree with you. One of the most prosperous countries on earth, and apparently one of the most clueless...

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those stats are just sad, sad, sad. It does not bode well for our population, IMHO. We look like fools on the world stage. Another coffeebean opinion.

Let's see how this mandate will work in DC,

40 Percent of D.C.'s Black Teens Will Soon Be Barred From School Because They Aren't Vaccinated

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Is it possible that because there was a massive effort to vaccinate our population against the polio virus, the virus didn't have much opportunity to mutate? Isn't that the idea of vaccinating the masses and attempting to achieve herd immunity? Asking those who are know more than I do.

Most animals carry Coivd. Even if your fantasy of every human getting a weekly booster came true we'd still have covid.

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

Probably once a week Tucker plays clips of Fauci, Wallensky, Biden and others saying exactly that.

[Boston-Sean]

I'm old enough to remember when all we heard was that this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Oh Wait. That was about 20 minutes ago.

[Byte1]

I think it is great that some folks believe that the vaccinations for Covid work for them. Keep getting them if they make you feel more secure. I will never attempt to discourage them from getting their shots. In my case, I am in my 70's and every year I get blood work done prior to my annual checkup. My blood work is always fine; no cholesterol problems, A1C level is fine, and all my other blood related tests come out fine. I have never had the flu and never get the flu shot. But, I never tell folks they shouldn't get the flu shot. My children have had covid prior to the vaccinations, and now refuse to get the shots. That's their choice. I got the shots because I was told at the beginning that if I had the shots I wouldn't be able to give the virus to my wife. I believe I was misinformed. My wife caught covid (mild case) and gave it to me (a mild case). Neither of us have had the booster shots and have decided not to get the shots for now. On the other hand, we have relatives that get EVERY booster shot as soon as they become available and they have also had the Covid. I am sure that they will rush to get the MonkeyPox vaccination as soon as they are available. I won't try to dissuade them from getting vaccinated.
I am happy for those that get Covid and are overjoyed that they are going to get better because they have their vaccinations. Maybe they are correct; who knows? I am not a medical professional so I certainly do not know the answer to the question as to the idea of whether or not the vaccination is a placebo to some folks.
By the way, when we got the Covid, we only took over the counter cold meds and we did fine. Because we had the covid vaccination? Because we are healthy? I am, but she isn't.
I have found that if I stock my medicine cabinet up with cold medicine, I do not catch a cold. Haven't had a cold in about 10 years.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Most animals carry Coivd. Even if your fantasy of every human getting a weekly booster came true we'd still have covid.

But we didn't have Covid prior to December 2019. This was a neuvo corona virus to humans back then? Neuvo meaning new.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Probably once a week Tucker plays clips of Fauci, Wallensky, Biden and others saying exactly that.

Let me put it this way.......

If someone says to me there is a 95% chance you WILL NOT GET COVID, that means to me there is a 5% chance I WILL GET COVID. It is all about perspective and my perspective must be different than yours.

The American people were never told they would not get Covid 100% if they were vaccinated. That video posted up thread proves that and the poster who posted the video was attempting to show just the opposite. LOL.

GE.......please weigh in on this debate.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thank you for providing the link. I went to the 4 minute mark as you said. What I saw was a graphic for REAL WORLD EFFECTIVENESS OF cOVID-19 VACCINES.

Symptomatic infections: 97% effective
Asymptomatic infections: 86% effective

Then there is a couple more criteria, one being 90% effective and the other being 94% effective.

Now.....from where I sit, those percentages do not indicate 100% effectiveness. That means to me that there is a percentage of people who will develop Covid. That was always my understanding of what the doctors, scientists and immunologists said to the American people. I have no idea why anyone would believe that these people told us if you get vaccinated, you will NOT get Covid. That is not what they said to us.

If you actually listened to what she said and didn't just look at the graphics, you'll see I was correct.

I never stated anyone EVER claimed 100% effectiveness. I Clearly stated we were told it was 95% effective in protection from GETTING covid.

Just like the flu shot is not 100% effective, it does PREVENT infection in most cases.

Why would anyone believe if they got the shot, they would not get covid?
Because that is what they TOLD US would happen, 95% of the time...

Now they've changed their tune and they (along with you and many others) insist they never said that. That we were always told it would only lessen the infection and lower death rates and hospitalizations...

The link I provide PROVES that is not what they said, at all...