[Bay Kid]

I have an opinion.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

This is why I don’t trust Big Pharmaceutical and why I will not get the shot

By one estimate, taking prescribed medications is the fourth leading cause of death among Americans. Americans are taking more medications than ever before. Nearly 60 to 70 percent of us take at least one prescribed drug, depending upon the estimate; for many it amounts to a fistful, potpourri of pills per day.

This not not count how many get ill or end up in care. My friend has been in a nursing home for 5 years because of her meds.

Why people trust Big Pharmaceutical is beyond me

[Hiltongrizz11]

All deaths are preventable in some form. Wrap up in bubble wrap, never get in a vehicle and never fly.

Sarcasm is being used here to point out that safety is never number one priority. Living is the priority and when you live you take risks

[hardwick2112@yahoo.com]

It is an individual decision, not one ANY government should dictate. If you want to stay inside the rest of your life, it is your decision.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

This is why I don’t trust Big Pharmaceutical and why I will not get the shot

By one estimate, taking prescribed medications is the fourth leading cause of death among Americans. Americans are taking more medications than ever before. Nearly 60 to 70 percent of us take at least one prescribed drug, depending upon the estimate; for many it amounts to a fistful, potpourri of pills per day.

This not not count how many get ill or end up in care. My friend has been in a nursing home for 5 years because of her meds.

Why people trust Big Pharmaceutical is beyond me

You have your opinion. About 1500 of those that shared your opinion died from/with COVID last week (and the week before and the week before that.....) Using the numbers from "one estimate," that particular opinion on taking the shot will keep COVID in contention for the fourth leading cause of death.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

I’ve been diligently trying to learn if the variant is deadly, but have not been able to do so. I understand it to be fast spreading, but so is flu and the common cold. Is there a spike in deaths along with the spike in cases?

[malikjam]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

First, flip flopping is very prejudicial. In my not so humble opinion, updating your position when new data is available is rational. Sadly in something like the pandemic of a never seen before virus can result in rapid changes in knowledge. Initial projections and advice is normally given based on previous similar viruses, with the caveats that they could be wrong. As time passes more information becomes available and projections and recommendations change. Then almost always the virus mutates and the experts have to start over. This can be very distressing to many people who are afraid and looking for answers.

The question, is the death rate acceptable is a hard question. And easier question is, is any preventable death acceptable, to which I would say, no. Even one preventable death is unacceptable. BUT. The problem is the second question, “at what cost.?” The cost can be economic, freedoms, potential future (long term) impacts, etc, etc, etc. Each of us have to come to a risk/reward assessment we are comfortable with.

Personally I think we are heading into a global economic collapse - depression or recession - that combined with continuing mutations will end up with governments around the world including the US, making isolation and vaccinations mandatory. The sad thing is there is every reason to believe we could have stopped this virus and it’s resulting variants if extreme measures had been taken earlier. But, that solution was unacceptable through out most of the world.

I hope I am wrong, for my children and grandchildren.

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by Bucco

“The sad thing is there is every reason to believe we could have stopped this virus and it’s resulting variants if extreme measures had been taken earlier. But, that solution was unacceptable through out most of the world.”

And, it appears also in the United States.....

“Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that he was horrified to hear the crowd at a conservative gathering this weekend cheering anti-vaccination comments.

"It's horrifying. I mean, they are cheering about someone saying that it's a good thing for people not to try and save their lives," Fauci told host Jake Tapper on CNN's "State of the Union," referring to the audience's reaction to remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Dallas.

Fauci also said that it was “almost frightening” for people to say that they don’t want health officials to save their lives. ”

Fauci: 'Horrifying' to hear CPAC crowd cheering anti-vaccination remarks | TheHill

Fauci knew h c q worked years ago and held it from people. He won't be able to walk down the street before long. He & the governors who pushed people into nursing homes won't either. There have been no more deaths than a year with the flu. The jab has eliminated more people that all vaccines total. 5K in US, 10K in UK & hundreds of thousands injured with adverse reactions.

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Yeah, that’s another problem...who do you believe?

Kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article252728088.html


If you paste that link in your search/url bar you can read the article.

You mean fraudci? You do realize delta means you are asleep?

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Fauci knew h c q worked years ago and held it from people. He won't be able to walk down the street before long. He & the governors who pushed people into nursing homes won't either. There have been no more deaths than a year with the flu. The jab has eliminated more people that all vaccines total. 5K in US, 10K in UK & hundreds of thousands injured with adverse reactions.

A totally fact free post.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

A totally fact free post.

I had to re-read the comment you are referring to, and I have to agree, in my opinion, it is a fact-free post. Sadly, it is what a lot of people believe.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

It's horrifying to see this weasel on television.

Dr. Fauci has been a dedicated virus expert for years. To denigrate him because certain people have chosen to attack him rather than the poor initial handling of the pandemic still shocks me. I can never understand why it's necessary for people to attack someone personally rather than perhaps objecting to their views by providing convincing evidence.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I’ve been diligently trying to learn if the variant is deadly, but have not been able to do so. I understand it to be fast spreading, but so is flu and the common cold. Is there a spike in deaths along with the spike in cases?

This WaPo page has some nice graphics that might help. In one of them you can see that cases started rising right around July 4. So far deaths have not increased but since there has typically been a two-week lag between cases and deaths, we are just now getting to the point where they would be expected to increase. Data from the next week or so should show whether the death ratio is higher now than it was previously.

[bp243]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Not wearing a seat belt and in an accident, the result I may never be able to walk again...no vaccination could result in death....neither is acceptable to me.

Thank you…so succinctly stated! Plus, one lives with the possibility of affecting others with serious harm or death.

[allsport]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

The death and case rate are neither reported by the state nor are they acceptable in a place where vaccinations prevent both. I have had a series of doctor appointments over the last month and am amazed about the lack of vaccine administration to staff in their offices. Vaccines should be a condition of employment, period, in order to protect the patients that you serve. The VA is making it a condition of employment and in most cities medical centers are doing the same. Complain when you go to the doc if the staff is not vaccinated. Ask ALL staff that question. I have had people tell me it is not my business and I said actually it is if you are in this enclosed room with me.