[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

“The sad thing is there is every reason to believe we could have stopped this virus and it’s resulting variants if extreme measures had been taken earlier. But, that solution was unacceptable through out most of the world.”

And, it appears also in the United States.....

“Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that he was horrified to hear the crowd at a conservative gathering this weekend cheering anti-vaccination comments.

"It's horrifying. I mean, they are cheering about someone saying that it's a good thing for people not to try and save their lives," Fauci told host Jake Tapper on CNN's "State of the Union," referring to the audience's reaction to remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Dallas.

Fauci also said that it was “almost frightening” for people to say that they don’t want health officials to save their lives. ”

Fauci: 'Horrifying' to hear CPAC crowd cheering anti-vaccination remarks | TheHill

Fauci is just a political hack. At one time he might have been at the top of his game, but he's been political for at least two decades. He might as well be a lawyer for all the credibility I give him.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by allsport

The death and case rate are neither reported by the state nor are they acceptable in a place where vaccinations prevent both. I have had a series of doctor appointments over the last month and am amazed about the lack of vaccine administration to staff in their offices. Vaccines should be a condition of employment, period, in order to protect the patients that you serve. The VA is making it a condition of employment and in most cities medical centers are doing the same. Complain when you go to the doc if the staff is not vaccinated. Ask ALL staff that question. I have had people tell me it is not my business and I said actually it is if you are in this enclosed room with me.

Disagree with several of your points, as it’s a personal decision as to whether to get vaccinated and their decision shouldn’t be disclosed to you just like your personal medical information should not be disclosed to others. Also, a correction to what you said as vaccinations don’t prevent vaccinated people from becoming infected.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Bucco

First do you know how many threats I get on here claiming I am being political. It is insane.

I never post anything remotely political without a back up quoted article or two or a link to a video. Although those who attack me each day very seldom supply any.
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I posted this because as we watch a very organized movement against vaccination ( I did not post the Representive using the anti drug chant “just say no” in referring to the vaccine.

The OP made good points, but I differ in blaming the world should anything happen. We HAD the vaccine....easily available. The rest of the world is not in that position.

How can there be a forum where only certain “facts” are allowed.

I am not the political one.....this was made political by our own leaders. Since day one.

Sorry if I get brusque, but getting tired of self appointed critics, WITHOUT ANY FACTS TO DISPUTE, calling every post political. We are discussing Covid vaccinations, and lack of participation, and there is no doubt of the OPEN resistance along political lines.

I agree 100%. If it comes across political, well maybe there is no denying it was..is. no one can deny what...he...did, what he downplayed. Sorry, but now it's part if history and some of the people that post- with a very strong hand...saying "you can't say that" and then end with a strong political comment themselves, don't get removed???? Very interesting.
Ps...then of course there will be some silly emoje, coming thru as condensing....that too is ok??

[HRDave]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The difference is that "not wearing seatbelts" isn't contagious. You not wearing a seatbelt is not going to hurt me, if you are in an accident. Indoor smoking is mostly banned in most parts of the country outside the privacy of your own home or vehicle. It's also banned in many outdoor public venues, parks and recreational areas nationwide. But I won't become a smoker just because you are a smoker. Smoking isn't contagious.

COVID is contagious, and you don't have to be "doing" anything to transmit it. Just get physically close enough to someone and breathe in their general direction, and if it's "their turn" to catch it, you will transmit it to them.

If you’re vaccinated you’re protected from the unvaccinated. They’re not going to infect you (at least extremely unlikely)
Get your vaccination & let the rest do what they wish.
Quit trying to push the vaccination on those who don’t want it. Nature will take it’s course.
Live & Let Live!

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Previous assumptions were incorrect.

Your previous assumption was incorrect? What does that say about you then? That you lacked the ability to identify 'unintelligent' when you saw it? That you ignorantly entrusted your life to the 'unintelligent'? So either your statement, "Previous assumptions were incorrect" is ignorant OR you were. I'm going to go w your statement, it is so beneath your usual responses.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Just want to address the implications and accusations.

My user name is Bucco. It is my only user name....no others. I did have another...Rags123, which was suggested to me way back by talkhost. Not used since my wife used it to PM someone, and was attacked very “loudly” about guess what...politics.
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I am, as of 2016 an independent, after over 50 years as a working member of GOP. My views have always been issue driven, not by party, thus you may think about “switching sides”, but trust me I never have looked back except in sadness. I will speak my true feelings should I choose to post. I will be honest, and as so, can also accept honesty.
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Not sure why disagreeing about lying or spreading false conspiracies, or anything anti American is, to you, venting anger. I have served my country in various ways for 65 of my 82 years. Yes, I am sensitive to the violence on Jan 6, because I worked there and roamed those halls. That is a sacred building, at least to me.
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I simply respond to a post, and as normal am confronted not with a post disagreeing with my post, but aimed at me. The issue is gone, and the hatred surfaces. If you have another opinion please share. Just discuss the issue and stop with the games played. Not impressed or intimidated.
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But do not speak to me about “bubbling” anger.

I will always speak out against lies, commission or omission. I start out assuming everyone is like that, then I am confronted with this “anger”. This same charge has been made, always on the same thing.....I allowed a fact you just were uncomfortable with.
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This was not “political click bat”. BTK started a good thread about the lack of vaccinations. He alluded to non Americans being the reason. I tool exception to that, using just a few recent statements to make my point.

NOBODY has posted disagreement with what I said. Just, as said here “same led same old” while totally ignoring the thread subject. And calling me out personally for making this political. I was at no rallies.....I did not exhort people to not get a vaccine.....I did not mock anyone, as this is important.

So, please....at least be honest with your posts. Stop making things up, and if you wish to converse, do so ON WHATEVER THE SUBJECT OF THE POST YOU RESPOND TO.

There are some who enjoy, NOT conversation, but concentrated attacks.

I am not the one to be angry at.....try facing truth about who leads the attacks on truth. Try discussing the content, and stop coming after the person who is sharing the truth, although it may be uncomfortable for you to hear.

Truth, I speak of. If my opinion, I say that. To say what I posted here today is not true.....well, a problem then exists that only you can resolve,

Again, thank you....a well deserved spanking.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You have your opinion. About 1500 of those that shared your opinion died from/with COVID last week (and the week before and the week before that.....) Using the numbers from "one estimate," that particular opinion on taking the shot will keep COVID in contention for the fourth leading cause of death.

The most recent weekly death report was 154, not 1500..., Down 25% from the prior week...

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

The most recent weekly death report was 154, not 1500..., Down 25% from the prior week...

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC

I believe you will find that is the 7-day average of daily deaths.

154 -> 1078 deaths in a week
205 -> 1435 deaths in a week (1500 seemed close enough)

It's odd that those numbers are about 50 less than what the WaPo presents. It *could* be that the WaPo accumulates on the day the deaths were reported rather than assigning them to the day they occurred.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

It is increasingly difficult to know what to believe in the press or social media. Last year I had my accounts first stamped with a fact check then my account was suspended. My crime was suggesting that the Covid was created in a lab. Back then the main media labeled anyone with such a view as a nut. The social media banned any posts. If you googled the origin of the virus there were no posts that offered a possibility of the lab leak.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Fauci is just a political hack. At one time he might have been at the top of his game, but he's been political for at least two decades. He might as well be a lawyer for all the credibility I give him.

Fauci, like Mueller and Biden, should have been retired many years ago. It is cruel to destroy the memory of people who have dedicated so many years to public service because some want to use them to further their extremist beliefs.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Your previous assumption was incorrect? What does that say about you then? That you lacked the ability to identify 'unintelligent' when you saw it? That you ignorantly entrusted your life to the 'unintelligent'? So either your statement, "Previous assumptions were incorrect" is ignorant OR you were. I'm going to go w your statement, it is so beneath your usual responses.

Just to clear things up, "WHY would a previously assumed intelligent person not accept the vaccine?" Because the previous assumption that they were all intelligent persons was incorrect. Just because someone works in a medical office or wears a badge from a medical facility does not guarantee they have sound medical opinions.

But to turn the question around a little, if there is a good reason why these previously assumed intelligent persons did not accept the vaccine then what does it say about their coworkers who DID accept the vaccine?

I will absolutely question my choice of healthcare workers based on the choices I see them making.

Though to agree with part of your previous post - it is improper to demand to know if someone is vaccinated and mandates are the wrong way to go.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

True. Anyone smoking and dying from lung cancer or not wearing a seat belt and dying in a car accident isnt my problem. Its your stupid choice and doesnt affect me in any way.
Your not getting vaccinated affects me, my family and friends since this is a contagious virus. It isnt my choice to grt the virus. You forced it on me. Big difference in comparisons

Oral Herpes is a very contagious disease that infects and affects millions. I would like to know the status (pertaining to oral herpes) of my waiter and chef when I go out to restaurants. Someone with oral herpes can easily transmit the disease to a plate at a restaurant. This is the case even when dormant and there are no symptoms. As this directly affects the patron, should he have the right to see the recent test results of his waiter?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Where the devil was Fauci’s indignation when the vice presidential candidate said she wouldn’t take the vaccine if it has President Trump’s support? Where was everyone’s indignation since that statement really kicked off the distrust since President Trump does support the vaccines. Talk about horrifying, Fauci should have been front and center on that one and VERY loud. Perhaps many people would be more confident now.

Now that is a POLITICAL POST!

[Byte1]

To preface my comment, I have my shots. That said, I do NOT encourage or discourage anyone from getting the vaccination. The reason I refuse to encourage my children and grandkids/great grandkids to get vaccinated with this vaccine is that I am NOT totally positive that there are not some possible negative side effects that may occur several years from now. I just do not know and they can not give us guarantees. I doubt I would believe them if they did. You can give me tons of subject matter to study, but the ONLY way one is to get true, historical facts is after a period of time. Since my children and grandchildren have had the virus (most of them) and have survived with little effort, hardly more than suffering a cold, I do not see the harm of them refusing the vaccination. If they get it, so be it. I will not discourage them from getting the shots. My opinion is that children should not be given the vaccination until we are sure it is essential. Yes, I understand there was much research and testing. BUT, I would feel much better after we have the results of the vaccinations after a decade or two to be sure something as serious as sterility or other forms of disease are not cased as a side effect.
Don't get me wrong, the vaccination HAS been a miracle and has saved probably millions of lives in the world. Would I have gotten the vaccination if not for my spouse's medical condition? Maybe not. Am I glad I did get my shots? So far, yes.
To summarize, the reason I will not encourage or discourage anyone to get the shot is that I do not want to be responsible for the guilt I would feel if I was instrumental in a bad reaction or permanent damage caused by the vaccine.

[Rosebud1949]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

It's horrifying to see this weasel on television.

Why cant folk see that if we are all vaccinated the virus has no host to infect, pass on to others and possibly kill. How can you take that risk with family and loved ones. Insurance Co. may decided NOT to pay for hospitalizations for Covid and Varients. They may charge additional fees for those not fully vaccinated.

Why should Doctors and Nurses have to treat those who flaunt their "non vaccinated" attitude. I know its their job, but these non vaccinated folk wont help themselves, and just keep spreading it.