[GeriS]

Originally Posted by CFrance

The first is cherry picking out of the bible--and not very relevant to the current situation--to suit one's own belief.


The second is a faith-based opinion that has nothing to do with science, from one of the original anti-vaxxers, talking about small pox vaccination. A hundred--hundred!-- years ago. Opinions and faith-based ideas that differ from what's empirically established is not valid science.

The FDA admits the test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it's testing something else. Also, the creator of the PCR test has been on several videos stating that it does not work to test covid as it has never been isolated.

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by Swoop

This quote is taken from the link you provided: “He adds that his team's analysis shows that almost every single one of the 100 million unvaccinated Americans who hasn't had COVID-19 yet will likely get it in the coming months”.
Based on that, we will achieve herd immunity pretty quickly…

Via the words of the CDC's own director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, vaccines are now failing, and vaccinated people may now carry higher viral loads than unvaccinated people, contributing to the spread of covid.
The vaccine hoax is now collapsing as vaccinated people are now catching the "delta" variant and spreading it to other vaccinated people. Even worse, the vaxxed are the "super-breeders" who are incubating yet more dangerous vaccine-immune covid mutations.
Thus, people who signed up to be vaccinated not only got played by the CDC, they are now the super-spreaders and super-breeders who are worsening the entire pandemic.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Via the words of the CDC's own director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, vaccines are now failing, and vaccinated people may now carry higher viral loads than unvaccinated people, contributing to the spread of covid.
The vaccine hoax is now collapsing as vaccinated people are now catching the "delta" variant and spreading it to other vaccinated people. Even worse, the vaxxed are the "super-breeders" who are incubating yet more dangerous vaccine-immune covid mutations.
Thus, people who signed up to be vaccinated not only got played by the CDC, they are now the super-spreaders and super-breeders who are worsening the entire pandemic.

That nonsense doesn't even rate a reply
And please stop posting this garbage, there may be a few naive members who might actually believe this crock

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Since all (vaccinated or not) are now seen as major spreaders of the contagious Delta variant, the only differentiator is who gets sick. Why are you (no one specific; just the reader in general) all worried about those not willing to get vaccinated (me and millions of others)? It's not like the unvaccinated are a special risk to anyone. Your fellow vaccinated citizen is just as likely to be infected and contagious as all the talking heads are saying right now.

All you vaccinated folk can infect each other without any help from me or others. You can also catch and spread the virus to all the "vulnerable" population (elderly, sick, immune compromised, etc) all by yourselves.

So, why the passports? Lockdowns? Masks? F*cking the economy up? Now, it's even move obvious that it's all about control. The only people at risk are those CHOOSING not to get vaccinated. Let me take my risk. Don't worry about me. Go about your lives.

It would now seem, given the current parameters, that we should just put COVID-19 on ignore. According to the experts, there is no reason to ask anyone "are you vaccinated?" as your behavior should be the same no matter what the answer. The unwashed masses are not more likely to be infected / contagious / dangerous than all those who chose the path of putting an experimental cocktail in their arm (twice).

It boils down to this fact: The various rules then are simply to coerce vaccination.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting the data? Vaccinated ARE NOT seen as major spreaders of Covid. They MAY be able to spread in RARE cases but even that is speculation.

I am worried about the unvaccinated and the spread because of the impact on the emergency services and the impact on those that cannot be vaccinated. Full hospitals and emergency rooms means fewer resources available for those coming in for something other than Covid. Emergencies will continue to happen but there may not be room at the inn due to the number of unvaccinated in the beds.

Second, there are some who cannot be vaccinated for valid health reasons. Those unfortunate few are under continued risk due to the number of unvaccinated potentially spreading the virus. If the unvaccinated wore masks as they should then that would decrease the risk, but experience has shown that they won't. If everyone who was eligible got the vaccination then there would be 100 million or so fewer potential carriers walking around threatening the lives of those who cannot be vaccinated.

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by justjim

Unfortunately since social media became popular because of the World Wide Web (internet) and 24 hour cable became what many watch, much false information regarding just about any subject you can name has emerged. Real investigated facts and real news has almost become a thing of the past. People are gullible and you find them following charismatic media personalities who spin information to feed their own pocketbooks with thousands/millions of dollars. Conspiracy theories are the state of the art with a new one every few days. For example, as science finds more about the coronavirus and makes changes to react to the new findings, we are told that we were lied to and not to listen to the science who got it all wrong in the first place. Selfish politicians (of both parties) haven’t helped the situation either. Instead of what can I do for my country it’s what can I do for me. That said, I am confident that in the long run science will prevail and we will get back to business as usual in this great country we call the United States of America.

Well said

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=GeriS;1983375]The FDA admits the test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it's testing something else. Also, the creator of the PCR test has been on several videos stating that it does not work to test covid as it has never been isolated.[/QUOTE]

“Social media users have been sharing a quote attributed to the inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test, currently being used to detect COVID-19, which says “PCR tests cannot detect free infectious viruses at all”. This quote appears not to be a direct quote from the inventor, Kary Mullis, has lost some context and does not mean COVID-19 testing is fraudulent, as suggested by some social media posts.

The posts have been shared over 1,000 times on Facebook (here , here , here).

The post begins with the words “COVID-19 TEST a FRAUD?”, then introduces the alleged quote from Mullis, who invented the PCR method in 1985 and was recognized for this achievement by being awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993 (here).

However, the quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19 (here).

The context around the quote shows Lauritsen is not saying PCR tests do not work. Instead, he is clarifying that PCR identifies substances qualitatively not quantitatively, detecting the genetic sequences of viruses, but not the viruses themselves: “PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers.

Fact check: Inventor of method used to test for COVID-19 didn’t say it can’t be used in virus detection | Reuters

Fact check: This CDC document does not say that that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist | Reuters

[GrumpyOldMan]

Catching up on posts this morning, and I have to wonder, does anyone know how many heart attacks we have to have before we reach heart attack herd immunity. I mean it is frequently how many people actually die of heart attacks compared to wild fake claims of how many people die from COVID.

I think the government should explain why they are not telling how to reach heart attack herd immunity.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

It might, and NASA and others are taking steps to prevent that. But at this point, we don't really have a working solution.

However, we DO have a working solution for COVID. Well, we did until so many refused to use it, and now we have a new mutant and so, we may be back - for a while - to not having a solution to that either.

Here's a crazy idea - why don't we focus on doing what we can, and not worry about what we can't.

No one escapes this life, alive. You can use all the makeup and botox you want and look young, but you ain't young and will DIE eventually. If it ain't COVID it's war or terrorism or a building collapse.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

No one escapes this life, alive. You can use all the makeup and botox you want and look young, but you ain't young and will DIE eventually. If it ain't COVID it's war or terrorism or a building collapse.

I agree NO ONE gets out of this alive, so why bother trying.

Let's close all the hospitals, no more bypass operations, no more treatments for any diseases are allowed. Why bother, better to just let them all die and make more room for the rest of us.

Let's remove ALL the stop signs and traffic lights.

And we can save all that money we spend trying to keep food safe.

There is no end to ways we can save money and stress, just let everyone die.

Is it okay if your grandchildren go first? I mean they are going to die anyway.

[BigSteph]

I'm new to the Villages.

Wow, the level of discourse here is surprising. I suppose I thought it was limited to the very young and young on social media.

I have a very religious friend who sees the world from the teachings of the Bible and the sermons on Sunday and Wednesday. There is no debate, so we never debate.

Some people deny a creator and other are sure of it.

Some people believe a person is born gay, others believe it is a choice.

Some people believe Trump is the best political leader ever, and others do not. Some in the same party do not.

Some believe in trying a vaccination to stem off potential death, others do not.

In none of the cases above, do I think I can convince you to change a belief by simple argument, regardless how compelling I feel it is.

Over time and through observation, I have changed my opinion on things I once disbelieved or denied.

I don't think there is a quick fix or a pithy factoid that will convince people to change their views on Covid and the Vaccine.

I got the vaccine at the first opportunity and I was aware of the emergency authorization. I made that decision for myself and cannot make it for others. I won't try to convince you one way or the other -- for one, I'm no expert, and two, you don't really care what I think.

[MDLNB]

70.1% of Americans have at least one shot of the vaccination as of 28 Jul. -- CDC.
CDC demographics shows that the majority of those that do not yet have at least one shot of the vaccination are either under the age of 12 or minorities. Minorities are the largest group of hold outs due to being told not to trust the vaccination last year.
I believe that COVID originated in the U.S. and was sent to China for experimentation. Easy to blame China but we are probably just as guilty for this mess. My opinion just like every one of the other posts on here.
Time to quit blaming your neighbors and just get on with you life. I plan to regardless of what you wish to do. If you don't trust your neighbor then wear your mask. If you don't trust your vaccination then wear your mask. I don't wear a mask and no one has gotten sick around me so don't blame me. If you do you must not be wearing your mask, right?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Via the words of the CDC's own director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, vaccines are now failing, and vaccinated people may now carry higher viral loads than unvaccinated people, contributing to the spread of covid.
The vaccine hoax is now collapsing as vaccinated people are now catching the "delta" variant and spreading it to other vaccinated people. Even worse, the vaxxed are the "super-breeders" who are incubating yet more dangerous vaccine-immune covid mutations.
Thus, people who signed up to be vaccinated not only got played by the CDC, they are now the super-spreaders and super-breeders who are worsening the entire pandemic.

What a comment - just WOW.

First, you partially quote the CDC to support your position - ie. quote out of context. They said the vaccination is failing to prevent the DELTA variant.

Then in the same paragraph, you LEAP to the "vaccine is a HOAX".

The vaccine is FAILING with DELTA because we failed to get enough people vaccinated soon enough to stop the mutation.

The vaccine is NOT a hoax.

99% of people being admitted to hospitals are not vaccinated. Maybe, all the vaccinated people just prefer to die at home? Or better yet, everyone all over the world is just lying.

At least we know that "CIVID will magically disappear in April"

[biker1]

I am not sure who you are referring to as "we". The Delta variant was first identified in India. Only about 25% of the world has been vaccinated. This would suggest that mutations, such as the Delta variant, are likely to come from outside the US.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

What a comment - just WOW.

First, you partially quote the CDC to support your position - ie. quote out of context. They said the vaccination is failing to prevent the DELTA variant.

Then in the same paragraph, you LEAP to the "vaccine is a HOAX".

The vaccine is FAILING with DELTA because we failed to get enough people vaccinated soon enough to stop the mutation.

The vaccine is NOT a hoax.

99% of people being admitted to hospitals are not vaccinated. Maybe, all the vaccinated people just prefer to die at home? Or better yet, everyone all over the world is just lying.

At least we know that "CIVID will magically disappear in April"

[RockyMountainMan]

It's all B.S. First it was stop the hospitalizations, then it was stop the deaths, now it's stop the number of cases. As many people in Florida got head colds this month as people got covid. So what. Here are some sobering facts:
2,913,144 people in the U.S, died in 2020 (year of the pandemic) 57,641 MORE than died in 2019 (no pandemic) But wait a minute!
Supposedly 600,000 more Americans died in 2020 from covid. The numbers don't add up. If an additional 600K people died from covid the number should be well over 3,500,000...so how many people really died of covid last year. Not near the amount the media, politicians, and the Gov't told us.

The American people swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker. It's all about controlling our lives. Our central gov't is getting bigger and more powerful every day, and the elitists who are at the top are like addicts getting high on their power and just like addicts they will do anything to keep getting high! So mask up, gown up, live in complete fear and hide in your closet until the power addicted elite in Washington tell you, you can come out. (More room for them and their families in restaurants and public places and they don't have look at all the "great unwashed") Our founders would be appalled!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That nonsense doesn't even rate a reply
And please stop posting this garbage, there may be a few naive members who might actually believe this crock

Aw, come on, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!