[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by biker1

Please stop making nonsensical statements. 85% in April was not possible. First of all, vaccinations were only opened up to those under 65 starting at the beginning of April in many locations. 83% of the population is under 65 so most people did not have access to vaccinations in April. Secondly, about 18% of the population is under 12 and are still not eligible for the vaccine.

Don't confuse anyone with the facts

[Waltdisney4life]

Love it so people with the vaccine still can get COVID so why get the vaccine? The double talk is entertaining but dangerous. Stop selling the abc tv and USA Today fear and promote the shots instead if you really care. Or do some just enjoy scarring others with false info?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Love it so people with the vaccine still can get COVID so why get the vaccine? The double talk is entertaining but dangerous. Stop selling the abc tv and USA Today fear and promote the shots instead if you really care. Or do some just enjoy scarring others with false info?

Hence the reason why I thought it was a huge mistake for Rochelle Walensky to publicize the data from a single county, 2 week period with large gatherings in Cape Cod. The ignorant would take home exactly that message---that the vaccine does not protect you and doesn't stop the spread, so why get it, while that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

[rsmurano]

I agree with justjim. I play sports everyday, even last year when most people were afraid of dying if they go outside. Last year scare tactics were mostly political. The number of Covid deaths were way over blown because of the money hospitals would get if they put “Covid” on the visit.
I’m not in favor of getting the vaccine or not getting it, it’s up to you to decide, and the government should not be dictating to us either way.
If you are nervous that you might get Covid, then by all means, protect yourself anyway you can. If you are healthy, then you should determine which direction is right for you: vaccinate or not.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And meteoroids will strike the earth and the oxygen levels will dwindle. The plants will die and aliens will take over the planet…

I know that was meant to be a sarcastic joke.....but, in reality, world oxygen levels are slightly affected by the massive burning of forests in the Amazon. And the US is having problems with massive smoke from fires in our West. There is unwanted population migration toward the US and Europe caused by Global Warming.

The US has so many other problems that there is LITTLE movement toward any, "plant a tree" efforts. Look around at the yards here in TV Land - many are like a desert of grass with very little shrubbery and trees for trim and accents. Grass in yards by itself, requires excess fertilizer and loud, pollution-producing gas (not electric) lawn mowing - and golf courses that get zero use in the summer afternoon. The point is that TV Land is no ecological paradise and in many ways IS the perfect example of the problem for the future and NOT the solution. So, talk about your perfect grandchildren, while ignoring your generation's responsibilities to the health and welfare of their lives. TV Land does NOT even PRETEND to be interested in anything but more and more greedy development.

[Escape Artist]

If I'm not mistaken, herd immunity is something that's achieved over time through natural infection and vaccine use. As many have mentioned on here, most people didn't have access to the vaccine until mid-April because of age restrictions initially and vaccine availability. That depended on the state you lived in and how much of the vaccine they received and could distribute.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Love it so people with the vaccine still can get COVID so why get the vaccine? The double talk is entertaining but dangerous. Stop selling the abc tv and USA Today fear and promote the shots instead if you really care. Or do some just enjoy scarring others with false info?

What's also scary is that they won't admit their ignorance or uncertainty about the effectiveness of the vaccine. My daughter went to her hairdresser yesterday and the woman was wearing a mask. She knew she had been fully vaccinated for awhile and asked her why. She said she'd been exposed to COVID and had taken two tests which were negative but it was an extra precaution out of concern for her clients, which was nice of her.

Both her parents, who had been fully vaccinated since March, got COVID and her father is very ill and might have to be hospitalized. Her siblings also had it along with other family members. So does the vaccine really work against the variants? It'd be nice if someone without a vested interest, political or otherwise, would tell us. Maybe they have but we don't want to listen?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

But according to the CDC, those who have had Covid are much less likely to be reinfected. So if the Delta strain is much more contagious and less deadly, we will actually reach herd immunity quicker…

Delta IS BOTH more contagious AND more DEADLY. 97% of all CV hospitalizations are among the UNvaccinated. There are now 5 CV pediatric patients at Advent Health in Orlando. There are 49 CV patients in our local hospital. They are ALL unVACCINATED! If someone could interview them, I am convinced that they WISHED that they had gotten vaccinated - some MAY (?) have tubes into their throats and would have difficulty speaking. Good luck to everyone that is UNvaccinated!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

So does the vaccine really work against the variants? It'd be nice if someone without a vested interest, political or otherwise, would tell us. Maybe they have but we don't want to listen?

Depends on what you mean by "really work". It seems most people think "really works" mean 100% effective, completely prevents any infections.

NO vaccine is 100%. effective. The current vaccine was developed (designed) to fight the original COVID-19. It was very very effective against the original COVID-19. There is no doubt, there are countless studies by professionals that actually work in the field of epidemics and pandemics that show this They do not show 100% effectiveness, but very close.

The variant happened. No need to point fingers about why, it happened, now we need to deal with that DELTA variant. The initial studies (which are limited in scope - for many reasons so far) show that DELTA is very much more contagious than the original virus. So, many more people will get it. Initial indications are the DELTA, a new virus that can infect some people that have been vaccinated for the original virus. It appears the vaccine is about 80% effective, meaning about 20% of the people that have been vaccinated may get the DELTA. But, that is very preliminary data and should be taken with a grain of salt. There seems to be no doubt that some people that have been vaccinated can be infected by the DELTA variant. So, CDC recommended returning to wearing masks until we have more data to show exactly how effective the vaccine is.

BUT, so far all indications are that the vaccine is very effective in preventing serious symptoms and/or hospitalizations in people that become infected with the DELTA variant. Of the people in many (most?) hospitals with COVID now, MOST (over 90%) are unvaccinated.

I can't find a number from any "credible source" of how many of the people who are fully vaccinated and get DELTA and die. It is generally estimated as very few. most that die from DELTA are unvaccinated.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Your post seems reasonable and I agree. I said to my husband that I never thought that we would see such a time, EVER.

a gentle reminder - (from another post elsewhere)

Imagine being born in 1900.
When you are 14 years old
World War I begins
and ends when you are 18,
with 22 million dead.
Shortly after the world pandemic,
flu called ′′ Spanish ",
killing 50 million people.
You go out alive and free,
and you are 20 years old.
Then at the age of 29 you survive the global economic crisis that started with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange causing inflation, unemployment and hunger.
Nazis come to power at 33.
You are 39 when world war 2. begins
and it ends when you are 45 during the Holocaust (Shoah), 6 million Jews die.
There will be a total of more than 60 million dead.
When your 52th Korean war begins.
When you are 64, the Vietnam war begins and ends when you are 75.
A baby born in 1985 believes his grandparents have no idea how hard life is,
and survived several wars and disasters.
A boy born in 1995 and 25 today believes that the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or if he doesn't exceed 15 likes for his posted photo on Facebook or Instagram...
In 2020., many of us live in comfort, have access to various sources of entertainment at home and often have more than needed.
But people complain about everything.
They have electricity, phone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.
None of this existed.
But humanity survived much more serious circumstances and never lost the joy of life.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

What's also scary is that they won't admit their ignorance or uncertainty about the effectiveness of the vaccine. My daughter went to her hairdresser yesterday and the woman was wearing a mask. She knew she had been fully vaccinated for awhile and asked her why. She said she'd been exposed to COVID and had taken two tests which were negative but it was an extra precaution out of concern for her clients, which was nice of her.

Both her parents, who had been fully vaccinated since March, got COVID and her father is very ill and might have to be hospitalized. Her siblings also had it along with other family members. So does the vaccine really work against the variants? It'd be nice if someone without a vested interest, political or otherwise, would tell us. Maybe they have but we don't want to listen?

Roughly half the US population has been vaccinated so any random exposure would get to about the same number of vaccinated as unvaccinated. Hospitalizations have increased greatly in the last month and according to all reports, more than 90% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated. Something is keeping the vaccinated from becoming sick and hospitalized.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I agree with justjim. I play sports everyday, even last year when most people were afraid of dying if they go outside. Last year scare tactics were mostly political. The number of Covid deaths were way over blown because of the money hospitals would get if they put “Covid” on the visit.
I’m not in favor of getting the vaccine or not getting it, it’s up to you to decide, and the government should not be dictating to us either way.
If you are nervous that you might get Covid, then by all means, protect yourself anyway you can. If you are healthy, then you should determine which direction is right for you: vaccinate or not.

So, can I take that to mean you are in favor of tens of millions of people, almost none of whom have the expertise to make an intelligent decision, should just make up their own vaccination policy? And that our government has no responsibility to protect the public safety? Welcome to the U.S.A. (United State of Anarchy)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I agree with justjim. I play sports everyday, even last year when most people were afraid of dying if they go outside. Last year scare tactics were mostly political. The number of Covid deaths were way over blown because of the money hospitals would get if they put “Covid” on the visit.
I’m not in favor of getting the vaccine or not getting it, it’s up to you to decide, and the government should not be dictating to us either way.
If you are nervous that you might get Covid, then by all means, protect yourself anyway you can. If you are healthy, then you should determine which direction is right for you: vaccinate or not.

So, it's up to you to decide if your children get vaccinated. You know it's only polio.

The fact that you can sneeze and kill someone makes it the government's business. it is called public safety. You do NOT have the right to make decisions that put others' lives at risk.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

A Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming, Scientists Say

Some good need here...

"Fortunately, there's a built-in impediment to what might otherwise be a potentially endless march toward ever-more-dangerous variants: The virus will at some point run out of ways to become nastier, thanks to the relatively simple structure of the spike protein, which can only be mutated in a few hundred different ways, most of which won't make the virus more harmful. "There are only so many changes that can be made to the spike protein without making it non-functional," says Vail. "I'd be cautious about saying that it can keep mutating indefinitely."

Another big break: Unlike the flu virus, SARS-CoV-2 doesn't have a structure that lends itself to mixing and matching genetic material between different variants. That "recombination" capability is what helps make the flu a moving target each year for vaccines."

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Since all (vaccinated or not) are now seen as major spreaders of the contagious Delta variant, the only differentiator is who gets sick. Why are you (no one specific; just the reader in general) all worried about those not willing to get vaccinated (me and millions of others)? It's not like the unvaccinated are a special risk to anyone. Your fellow vaccinated citizen is just as likely to be infected and contagious as all the talking heads are saying right now.

All you vaccinated folk can infect each other without any help from me or others. You can also catch and spread the virus to all the "vulnerable" population (elderly, sick, immune compromised, etc) all by yourselves.

So, why the passports? Lockdowns? Masks? F*cking the economy up? Now, it's even move obvious that it's all about control. The only people at risk are those CHOOSING not to get vaccinated. Let me take my risk. Don't worry about me. Go about your lives.

It would now seem, given the current parameters, that we should just put COVID-19 on ignore. According to the experts, there is no reason to ask anyone "are you vaccinated?" as your behavior should be the same no matter what the answer. The unwashed masses are not more likely to be infected / contagious / dangerous than all those who chose the path of putting an experimental cocktail in their arm (twice).

It boils down to this fact: The various rules then are simply to coerce vaccination.

I completely disagree with EVERY WORD!