[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Jimbo, you have shared that you do drink alcohol and you have TV. How old are you?

I am 72. I know, I look like I am 16

Not sure what that typo was "you have TV"

I'll just say younger, when we meet I want you to guess my & my sweeties age, if you're right the drinks R on us.

I don't want to U feel bad but based on your avatar you look more like 19.

A quick look at your veggie list is fine, but if you eat animal based foods it takes up the room for those.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just to clarify. VillagesPl has told us that he is 71, lives alone and doesn't watch TV, he hasn't mentioned if he drinks alcohol.

Jimbo, you have shared that you do drink alcohol and you have TV. How old are you?

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Not sure what that typo was "you have TV"

I think Gracie is saying that you drink alcohol and watch television. As compared to VillagesPl who doesn't drink alcohol or own a television, and lives alone.

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Absolutely, there are no guarantees. Everyone is born with strengths and weaknesses. And we don't always know what they will be. Here are a couple of points I would like to make.

1) When someone says, "they were extremely athletic types", a red flag goes up. Being extremely athletic can raise cortisol levels and thus be damaging to the body, depending on the individual and how extreme they are.

2) They followed vegan diets: Not all vegan diets are the same. A vegan with a sweet tooth can consume large amounts of sugar. Some vegans might eat lots of baked goods made with white flour or lots of white potatoes. They might not get enough B12 or D3 etc.. They might consume too much sodium. You get the idea.




Yes, that can happen. A neighbor of mine died from lung cancer and she never smoked. If I hadn't known her, I would have thought the same as you, that it doesn't matter what a person does. However, I found out that before moving to TV, she lived in a large city that had very thick smog. It was so thick, it would make her eyes burn.



I met a neighbor of mine when I lived on E. Schwartz Blvd.. He told me he ate a lot of vegetables. And I believed him. When I joined the neighborhood group and got to know him better, I found that he mostly ate potatoes (Fried, baked and mashed). That's a lot of vegetables! But not the best ones for nutrition. So, be careful. We can be led astray.

Your post sounds like you are setting up excuses for yourself to eat whatever you like.

Not true to the last sentence. Mainly I was discussing chemicals and pharmaceuticals, etc. .............at least that is how I started out.......
one thing did lead to another.

The athletic types I mentioned were doctors and high powered corporate owners (engineers)........two of these men cycled all over Europe plus within the U.S.........they were extremely thin and were vegans.
They ate brown rice, veggies, no oil......seeds and nuts, natural stuff.
I doubt if they ate a lot of baked goods as their wives did not bake; if they did it would be some healthy bread.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about HEALTHY people who did everything RIGHT and still died of cancer. I do believe it was in their genetics. They were non smokers and from what I could tell, at our parties, etc. or dinner, non drinkers.

It's a complicated subject for sure.

[jimbo2012]

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?

From their wives and from them.

Our theory is that perhaps with the daily cycling, "maybe" they breathed in a lot of exhaust fumes? Not much traffic up here, but perhaps while competing elsewhere? I really don't know. One had lung cancer which then wrapped around his heart. Both non smokers.

Again, a puzzlement.

Believe me, these men were physically fit, highly intelligent and extremely active as far as daily exercise went. They were not couch potatoes. All I'm trying to say is that one never knows and it isn't necessarily a perfect diet that protects one against cancer.

Both wives also got cancer. They cooked very healthily and sparingly at that (of ingredients). Let just say, not rich foods nor lavish spreads.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I think Gracie is saying that you drink alcohol and watch television. As compared to VillagesPl who doesn't drink alcohol or own a television, and lives alone.

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.

There's nothing negative health wise in not only my opinion but in speaking to Dr. Esseltyn in social drinking, my wife & I will have wine or beer don't care for hard liqueur never have, nothing to do with diet, but I'm sure it's fine.

There really has been absolutely no activity or other lifestyle changes involved of things you currently enjoy.
But seriously there is one change, you just have way more energy to do things so I guess our lifestyle expanded to more things.

Example; if you play 18 holes you can go to 27 or 36 without being knocked out. Silly example but in TV it should ring home.

As far as the benefits most have been touched upon.

I'll ask what benefits would you like to achieve?, maybe then I can answer better.

Also are you concerned of any drawback?

[senior citizen]

p.s.
I think I'm going to move over to the pork tenderloin sandwich posts...............
from the Midwest !!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

From their wives and from them.

Our theory is that perhaps with the daily cycling, "maybe" they breathed in a lot of exhaust fumes? Not much traffic up here, but perhaps while competing elsewhere? I really don't know. One had lung cancer which then wrapped around his heart. Both non smokers.

Again, a puzzlement.

Believe me, these men were physically fit, highly intelligent and extremely active as far as daily exercise went. They were not couch potatoes. All I'm trying to say is that one never knows and it isn't necessarily a perfect diet that protects one against cancer.

Both wives also got cancer. They cooked very healthily and sparingly at that (of ingredients). Let just say, not rich foods nor lavish spreads.

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else.

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?

Most young girls are vegans. Of course that age keeps getting lower these days. OH. You said vegans.

[jimbo2012]

R U this witty in person?

I have U on the top of my list to meet when I get there.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else.

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Our daughter Helene, who is 46, has lived with us her whole life and eaten food that I have prepared for all of her life. The same food as her father and me. We do eat out but maybe once a week, rarely more. She walks an hour every morning. She weighs 125.

Her cholesterol began to climb last year. Ours have remained much below 200 into our seventies.

Among other things she was born with an elastin gene deletion, part of Williams Syndrome.

I think from what I have read that some people are born with slightly different kinds of genetic makeup that can either give them an edge or a slam in the cholesterol department. Helene has a diagnosed irregularity of genetics.

Just sayin'. And all my sayin' ain't gonna change anyone's mind.

[jimbo2012]

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else.

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WE all live in a small town with no smokestack industry, surrounded by the Green Mountain National Forest and / or farmlands. No super highways up here.......slow going traffic in town. It's not the type of place where one has to "commute" to work on a highway.

One gentleman was born in California........so who knows re environmental exposure. His first wife also died of cancer as did his mother. The second wife's parents both died of cancer; she has recurrent cancer. Strict vegans.

Again, my original point was that in their cases, no matter what they did as far as living a healthy lifestyle........super healthy in fact......
cancer did befall them.

Not just these handful of people..........but I know many others who did everything right and still succumbed to cancer.......so I'd say it's in the DNA..........they can actually test for various genes nowadays.

Not to make lightly of everyone's food choices..........but we just ordered and enjoyed (delivered by Domino's Pizza to our front door), two great
Artisan specialty pizzas.........light flaky thin crust.....really yummy, both with lots of onions, garlic, baby spinach leaves.......but one of the artisan pizzas had alfredo sauce and large amount of spinach and feta.

The other artisan pizza was a Tuscan Salami and Roasted Vegetable version with lots of different colored peppers, garlic parmesan sauce, onions and lots of oregano.

Life is short. We enjoyed part of it and refrigerated the remainder.
These are NOT like the heavy,laden with cheese and pepperoni, etc. pizzas of old..........although they still do make them. Since we discovered the artisan types, that's what we get for a light supper , every now and then.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Not to make lightly of everyone's food choices.

Oh nooooooo, not much

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

I disagree. You aren't the only one who reads.
Genetic variants in PCSK9 affect the cholesterol... [J Hum Genet. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
Our figures are without medication. Lucky genetics.

When I was 58 my cholesterol was 126. Now it is about 27 points higher.

How old are YOU? Age, genetics, diet, lifestyle, level of contentment, all add up to someone's total health picture.

I think I am gonna stop reading this thread. It isn't good for my blood pressure.