[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by NoMo50

My wife and I have taken the flu shot every year for as long as I can remember, and in that time, neither one of us has gotten the flu. Lucky? Maybe. Then again, during that same time span, neither of us has been bitten by a wolverine. Maybe the shot is good for that, too.

Not “lucky”. The flu shot DOES NOT CAUSE the flu. PERIOD

[Rzepecki]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

A critical thinker would recognize that no vaccine is 100% effective. A critical thinker might have looked past the marketing and read the results of the vaccine trials. A critical thinker would maybe question whether the CDC represented mainstream doctors but would then consider the possibility that the CDC (and FDA and research labs) are very nearly the definition of mainstream.

I wonder if your internist told you NOT to get the vaccine or agreed with you that you were not one of the high risk individuals who the vaccine was being recommended for. To me, there is a big difference between "don't get the vaccine" and "don't bother getting the vaccine unless you want to."

Out of my area of expertise but I believe that even if they are right (and you might want to investigate who "they" are) the flu shot is still not 100% effective.

I will be waiting for the next version of the Covid vaccine to come out and then getting both the flu and Covid shots. (or October'ish for just the flu, whichever comes first)

My thoughts exactly. Thank you.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm not quite sure how to take the tone of that post. Are you asking me or telling me about virology? If you're asking, it's quite a long reply. If you think you are telling me, well.......Res ipsa loquitur. And some of those "facts" are accurate, some aren't.

Have you had a chance to look into the RSV vaccine?

Been in the CT for 18 mo but they are aren't unblinding us. Haven't had a chance to discuss with the investigator yet but want to discuss getting the released vaccination or not.

Motivation is more minimizing catching what my pre-school grandchildren bring home in their runny nose :-)

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I just got my flu shot today at Walgreens. Some will say it is too early, but I always get it when I can.

Think carefully about putting this shot in your system. Don't trust the government or pharma to tell you the truth.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

As I mentioned earlier, the Covid vaccine tested 95% effective at preventing serious illness or death in the trials and I haven’t seen any real world data that says otherwise.

Is there a study that shows that 95% figure. I am confused as to how they can say1) the jab will prevent you from getting and spreading covid to 2) The jab prevents you from getting hospitalized. With the differing strains of covid, it seems like a hail Mary plan, let's throw it out there and see what happens, to say "Sure you still caught covid, but had you not gotten the jab and subsequent boosters you really would have gotten it worse. I seem to have had covid and did not even know it. Right away I hear, "well thank God you were jabbed or you could have gotten really ill". What proof it there of that. Are they comparing the new vewrsions of covid against the original hospitalization rates?

[Susan1717]

I have never gotten a flu vax and have not had the flu or a cold in at least 20 years. I passed on the covid vax as well. I did get the omicron strain but since early on, found a doctor to prescribe ivermectin. Never got that sick, only tired. Was fully recovered in 5 days. There’s no one fits all tho. I have had my antibodies recently tested again, and still have them.

[DonnaNi4os]

The ideal time to get the flu vaccine is early to mid October. Getting it too early risks lower immune response if the flu hits in January or after. We all do what is best for ourselves. I’ve given hundreds of the vaccines and that is the advice we always gave our patients.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I just got my flu shot today at Walgreens. Some will say it is too early, but I always get it when I can.

Just be careful cause it will start to wear off before the flu season is over.

[DonnaNi4os]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

Well. I used to get the flu shot but every year I did that----I got the flu!! One year it was twice!! So then I decided they're not for me! I did NOT get the vaxx that so many thought we "needed". I got the plague---and I'm immunocompromised but it was like the flu or bad cold. I did recover.
They (health-care officials) used it to their advantage and so many bought into the lie. Now, some countries are pulling back. Yes, people died BUT I take issue when the health-care folks, who are supposed to care---marked ALL the deaths due to covid. When "some" health-care people tried to push back---they lost their jobs!! Fear and intimidation is what it all was. Wouldn't let families be with their loved ones and did the tests that would give false positives or negatives.

Many people believe that they got the flu after getting the vaccine. Since the flu vaccine is not a live vaccine it is impossible for it to have caused the flu. That’s not my opinion, that is a fact. You may have been exposed to the flu prior to getting the vaccine and didn’t have any symptoms yet. In that case the flu vaccine didn’t have time to build your immunity to fight it off. But getting the flu from the vaccine is a myth. Only live vaccines can cause disease and the flu vaccine is NOT a live vaccine.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Is there a study that shows that 95% figure. I am confused as to how they can say1) the jab will prevent you from getting and spreading covid to 2) The jab prevents you from getting hospitalized. With the differing strains of covid, it seems like a hail Mary plan, let's throw it out there and see what happens, to say "Sure you still caught covid, but had you not gotten the jab and subsequent boosters you really would have gotten it worse. I seem to have had covid and did not even know it. Right away I hear, "well thank God you were jabbed or you could have gotten really ill". What proof it there of that. Are they comparing the new vewrsions of covid against the original hospitalization rates?

A lot of questions. The answers are out there if you care to find them.

Yes, there is a study. It was the report of the trial of the Pfizer vaccine.

The manufacturer did not say the jab will prevent you from getting or spreading covid. (but you already knew that since you quoted the post I used when someone else made the same assertion.)

I believe the manufacturer can say that the jab will keep some from being hospitalized because they performed trials with the vaccine that showed that to be the case. I believe they can continue to say that because tens of millions of people have taken the vaccine and hospitalizations and deaths have fallen dramatically.

What proof is there that it was the vaccine that kept one individual from getting more sick? In the case of a virus that is not 100% deadly there is absolutely no proof for that one individual. However, the vaccine trials enrolled more than one individual and if you read the report you will see how the conclusion was derived. Also, as I noted above, tens of millions have now received the vaccine and hospitalizations and deaths have dropped dramatically. Does that 100% prove the vaccine worked? No, but if the choice is between the vaccine, chemtrails, space aliens, or sunspots causing the drop, I'll put my money on the vaccine.

Look, we've had nearly three years of debate about the vaccine. I choose to believe the studies and the data and the real world observations. Others choose to believe the conspiracies and deny what to me seems obvious. It is unlikely that there are any arguments that have not been made and it is foolish to believe anyone is going to change their mind now.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

A lot of questions. The answers are out there if you care to find them.

Yes, there is a study. It was the report of the trial of the Pfizer vaccine.

The manufacturer did not say the jab will prevent you from getting or spreading covid. (but you already knew that since you quoted the post I used when someone else made the same assertion.)

I believe the manufacturer can say that the jab will keep some from being hospitalized because they performed trials with the vaccine that showed that to be the case. I believe they can continue to say that because tens of millions of people have taken the vaccine and hospitalizations and deaths have fallen dramatically.

What proof is there that it was the vaccine that kept one individual from getting more sick? In the case of a virus that is not 100% deadly there is absolutely no proof for that one individual. However, the vaccine trials enrolled more than one individual and if you read the report you will see how the conclusion was derived. Also, as I noted above, tens of millions have now received the vaccine and hospitalizations and deaths have dropped dramatically. Does that 100% prove the vaccine worked? No, but if the choice is between the vaccine, chemtrails, space aliens, or sunspots causing the drop, I'll put my money on the vaccine.

Look, we've had three nearly three years of debate about the vaccine. I choose to believe the studies and the data and the real world observations. Others choose to believe the conspiracies and deny what to me seems obvious. It is unlikely that there are any arguments that have not been made and it is foolish to believe anyone is going to change their mind now.

And I choose to agree with you as I usually do. So grateful for your intelligent and sane approach to things. So enjoy your posts.

[OhioBuckeye]

Did you get the new experimental shot that out that I saw? The reason I ask was I just don’t think I want to be in a experimental subject. Do you know or didn’t they say?

[SusanStCatherine]

From CDC website:

"Flu Vaccination Timing

The recommended timing of flu vaccination has not changed. September and October are the best times for most people to get vaccinated. Flu vaccination in July and August is not recommended for most people, but there are several considerations regarding vaccination in July and August for specific groups of people:

For adults (especially those 65 years old and older) and pregnant people in the first and second trimester, vaccination in July and August should be avoided unless it won’t be possible to vaccinate in September or October."

[gatorbill1]

Originally Posted by charlie1

I never saw any of these promises
-you won't get Covid if you take the jab
-you won't spread covid if you take the jab
-etc

Your internist, I am sure, told you that your chances of getting a severe case with your then current health conditions are small. I doubt he told you NOT to get the booster.

What we were told is that they REDUCE THE CHANCE of getting a severe case and/or die. It was never even touted to be anywhere close to 100% effective.

The only thing that is right with this post is that they do take an educated guess on the Flu virus's that will be prevalent in the next year for the annual flu shot. If their educated guess is wrong and new strains appear, the flu shot would not be effective for these strains.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Except he's NOT correct. Initially, we were told it PREVENTED the disease and that it PREVENTED TRANSMISSION of the disease.

It wasn't until much later that they changed the narrative...

You listened to the wrong people or wrong TV station - I listened to them all.

[tophcfa]

I’ll gladly roll up my sleeve, any risk involved in a vaccine is nonexistent compared to the risk of winding up in the Villages ER. Bring it on!