[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Shadow8IA

CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2021 through June 11, 2022, there have been

8,000,000 – 13,000,000
flu illnesses

5,000 – 14,000
flu deaths

"Estimates"???

Don't they track this thru testing?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Can you provide evidence of either of your claims -

The irony is quite ironic...

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by westernrider75

Exactly right. Face it, everyone will probably get it at some point or has had it. The vaccines are keeping it manageable.

One of the claims made was that vaccinated individuals suffered less severe cases. Other than the June 2021 CDC preprint release which said vaccinated people were 58% less likely to report a high fever, and spend on average two days less in the hospital (The findings were reported June 2021in a preprint on a health services website and have not been peer-reviewed nor published in a medical journal.) is there any peer reviewed study that shows people vaccinated who get covid suffer milder symptoms vs those not vaccinated? Is there a study that deals with the current strain of Covid?
As for continuous boosters, the experts from the European Medicines Agency (EMA)say getting COVID-19 booster shots may actually weaken your immune response. Researchers in Israel say a fourth COVID-19 shot doesn’t appear to produce enough antibodies to prevent infection from the Omicron variant. At times it seems there is a push to use as many vaccine shots as is possible for reasons other than the science. Once we see the lies of an agency it becomes impossible to believe what they say without facts.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Shadow8IA

CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2021 through June 11, 2022, there have been

8,000,000 – 13,000,000
flu illnesses

5,000 – 14,000
flu deaths

About 1/3 of the usual fatalities.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

About 1/3 of the usual fatalities.

Well, I expect a lot of people were not going out and mingling. I expect some people were susceptible and died of COVID before Flu could get them, and on and on. There is no need to resort to conspiracies with novel situations occur and we don't know the answer to every question.

[Dusty_Star]

I too am done with this illness. I think shutting down the schools was a big mistake that should not be repeated. I think closing small businesses & driving them out of business was a tragedy.

[Strongel]

I don’t know everything and certainly not everything about Covid….but the few chosen pharmaceutical companies given authorization to provide the shots have never had it so financially good.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

One of the claims made was that vaccinated individuals suffered less severe cases. Other than the June 2021 CDC preprint release which said vaccinated people were 58% less likely to report a high fever, and spend on average two days less in the hospital (The findings were reported June 2021in a preprint on a health services website and have not been peer-reviewed nor published in a medical journal.) is there any peer reviewed study that shows people vaccinated who get covid suffer milder symptoms vs those not vaccinated? Is there a study that deals with the current strain of Covid?

Such a study may be determined to be unethical since it would require withholding a known-effective vaccine and placing people in real jeopardy of dying. Plus, it may be difficult to find a representational random sample since so many have already had the vaccine.

An approach that does work is real world observations. If the vaccine is *not* effective in lessening symptoms then the ratio of hospitalizations and deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated would be similar to the ratio in the general population. it is not, the unvaccinated are several times more likely to be hospitalized and die. This is proof enough for me.

Now, if the question is whether a mild case in a vaccinated person is less severe than a mild case in an unvaccinated, does it really matter?

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

As for continuous boosters, the experts from the European Medicines Agency (EMA)say getting COVID-19 booster shots may actually weaken your immune response. Researchers in Israel say a fourth COVID-19 shot doesn’t appear to produce enough antibodies to prevent infection from the Omicron variant. At times it seems there is a push to use as many vaccine shots as is possible for reasons other than the science. Once we see the lies of an agency it becomes impossible to believe what they say without facts.

What lies and which agency? That statement seems like an attempt at justifying confirmation bias.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Normal

I’ve had it with the Covid hype, I’m over it. Don’t ask me to get another vaccine and you can have my mask if you need one.

Just one question: If they go back to requiring masks on airplanes, are you going to be that person that forces the pilot to land and disrupt 300 other passengers?????

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, I expect a lot of people were not going out and mingling. I expect some people were susceptible and died of COVID before Flu could get them, and on and on. There is no need to resort to conspiracies with novel situations occur and we don't know the answer to every question.

Your suspicions are cool, but others are "conspiracies"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, I expect a lot of people were not going out and mingling.

Wait.. I thought the increase in Covid cases was because people WERE going out and mingling...

[JMintzer]

And the "sudden" rise in cases is most likely due to the fact that now that kids are out of school, people are traveling much more often and are testing much more frequently than before...

More tests will = more positive results (even in asymptomatic patients...)

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And the "sudden" rise in cases is most likely due to the fact that now that kids are out of school, people are traveling much more often and are testing much more frequently than before...

More tests will = more positive results (even in asymptomatic patients...)

As well as the media deciding to stir the pot to create a diversion from the many anti agenda issues......time to recreate/restart/agitate the fear factor(s)/muddy the voting process/et al.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by billethkid

As well as the media deciding to stir the pot to create a diversion from the many anti agenda issues......time to recreate/restart/agitate the fear factor(s)/muddy the voting process/et al.

Which media is that? I just looked across eight online papers and not one mentioned Covid on the front page.

You seem to have a "cart before the horse" problem.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

One of the claims made was that vaccinated individuals suffered less severe cases. Other than the June 2021 CDC preprint release which said vaccinated people were 58% less likely to report a high fever, and spend on average two days less in the hospital (The findings were reported June 2021in a preprint on a health services website and have not been peer-reviewed nor published in a medical journal.) is there any peer reviewed study that shows people vaccinated who get covid suffer milder symptoms vs those not vaccinated? Is there a study that deals with the current strain of Covid?
As for continuous boosters, the experts from the European Medicines Agency (EMA)say getting COVID-19 booster shots may actually weaken your immune response. Researchers in Israel say a fourth COVID-19 shot doesn’t appear to produce enough antibodies to prevent infection from the Omicron variant. At times it seems there is a push to use as many vaccine shots as is possible for reasons other than the science. Once we see the lies of an agency it becomes impossible to believe what they say without facts.

Well, one minor consideration, not a controlled study, but certainly worth consideration. In the last wave 90% (or there about) of people hospitalized were unvaccinated. The majority of the deaths were in the unvaccinated. And yes, there are numerous studies showing the effectively of the vaccinations, and there are now over 2 billion people that have tested the vaccines and shown them to be safe and effective.

The current variant, BA5?, is better at getting passed the vaccine, but is currently less deadly. Sadly, as more people let their guard down and get even mild cases, that provides incubators for more variants. And one of those variants could be more deadly and bypass the vaccine. So, unlike polio, smallpox and others, instead of beating this down with science, we are breeding it into ever more dangerous variants, because people got the right to put everyone else’s lives at risk.