[lightworker888]

Just listened to a video clip about Bill Gates partnering with Monsanto to bring GMO seeds to Third World countries. Our SIL was in Africa last year and was talking to the farmers who were saying that their whole way of life was being affected by the over growth of the seeding of the GMO seeds and they are losing their own staple food. Wonder where that will lead re health issues. Sounds like Bill Gates has unfortunately been misguided in his philanthropy. Why have so many countries banned GMO and yet North America is growing it so freely. And as our consumption of it goes down with more people refusing to buy it, then the exporting of it to the Third World goes up. Does this make sense for world health? And we wonder why the gov't refuses to support labelling of GMO ingredients. What could they be afraid of? Look for the labels that say GMO free. That is the only way that the conscious companies could get around the situation.


LW888

[shcisamax]

Here is an interesting piece of info:
We have over 100,000 horses going across the Canadian and Mexican borders to be slaughtered for human consumption and sent to Europe and Japan/China. This is mainly because of overbreeding...just like puppy mills. The EU as well as the other countries are now realizing the horses that are coming to them are filled with drugs that our FDA has labelled "Not for Human Consumption". They have now instituted restrictions which will require the horses to come with a "passport" showing all drugs from birth. This may not make a hoot of difference because the entire horse slaughter industry is based upon deceit and is dishonest at every level with forged paperwork by even the auction vets. Most horses that go to slaughter are people's pets and they have no idea their horse is going to slaughter and not to some little girl with pigtails and a desire to love their horse. They are racehorses who didn't cut it by 4 years of age. They are young, vital healthy animals...not the old, sick, abandoned...The industry leaves those on the side of the road.

Now there is a small group of people, breeders for the most part, who would like to open horse slaughter for human consumption in the US which was banned in 2007 by defunding USDA inspections. 80% of Americans do not believe in slaughtering and eating their horses. But they have managed through midnight DC finagling to get $5 million directed to USDA inspections to inspect horse meat. So far, there are still a few reasons why they haven't been able to open a horse slaughter plant but they are working very hard to make it happen. They are hoping to convince Americans that horse meat is better for them because it is leaner. What they will not tell you, or they poopoo, is the detriment of the drugs. As breeding horses for slaughter is not profitable because of how horses "fill out" , if you choose to eat horse meat, it will be eating someone's pet and its meat will be filled with drugs ranging from steroids, vaccinations, dewormers, to "bute" which is proven to cause various cancers in humans. They essentially need slaughter to get rid of their overbreeding and would like to make a larger profit here rather than send it to foreign countries. What is similarly disturbing is that the USDA has been laying off workers and closing USDA offices across the nation and yet some special interest group is getting $5 million to inspect a food supply that goes to other countries.
Everyone who cares about their tax dollars and cares about what they put in their mouths and what we are sending to others to put in their mouths should be calling their federal senators and congressmen and telling them to support the Moran amendment to defund the USDA inspectors for horse meat. It is a waste of our tax dollars and it is anything but the right thing to do. One more example of private special interest polluting the food supply to satisfy their greed.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Here is an interesting piece of info:
We have over 100,000 horses going across the Canadian and Mexican borders to be slaughtered for human consumption and sent to Europe and Japan/China. This is mainly because of overbreeding...just like puppy mills. The EU as well as the other countries are now realizing the horses that are coming to them are filled with drugs that our FDA has labelled "Not for Human Consumption". They have now instituted restrictions which will require the horses to come with a "passport" showing all drugs from birth. This may not make a hoot of difference because the entire horse slaughter industry is based upon deceit and is dishonest at every level with forged paperwork by even the auction vets. Most horses that go to slaughter are people's pets and they have no idea their horse is going to slaughter and not to some little girl with pigtails and a desire to love their horse. They are racehorses who didn't cut it by 4 years of age. They are young, vital healthy animals...not the old, sick, abandoned...The industry leaves those on the side of the road.

Now there is a small group of people, breeders for the most part, who would like to open horse slaughter for human consumption in the US which was banned in 2007 by defunding USDA inspections. 80% of Americans do not believe in slaughtering and eating their horses. But they have managed through midnight DC finagling to get $5 million directed to USDA inspections to inspect horse meat. So far, there are still a few reasons why they haven't been able to open a horse slaughter plant but they are working very hard to make it happen. They are hoping to convince Americans that horse meat is better for them because it is leaner. What they will not tell you, or they poopoo, is the detriment of the drugs. As breeding horses for slaughter is not profitable because of how horses "fill out" , if you choose to eat horse meat, it will be eating someone's pet and its meat will be filled with drugs ranging from steroids, vaccinations, dewormers, to "bute" which is proven to cause various cancers in humans. They essentially need slaughter to get rid of their overbreeding and would like to make a larger profit here rather than send it to foreign countries. What is similarly disturbing is that the USDA has been laying off workers and closing USDA offices across the nation and yet some special interest group is getting $5 million to inspect a food supply that goes to other countries.
Everyone who cares about their tax dollars and cares about what they put in their mouths and what we are sending to others to put in their mouths should be calling their federal senators and congressmen and telling them to support the Moran amendment to defund the USDA inspectors for horse meat. It is a waste of our tax dollars and it is anything but the right thing to do. One more example of private special interest polluting the food supply to satisfy their greed.

EXCELLENT POST. So sad for the horses....

[senior citizen]

1. Meat
   
   • Clams and mollusks have the highest concentration of natural, bioavailable B12, at 14 times the minimum dietary supplement per serving, according to the NationalInstituteofHealth's B12 Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet. The next best source is beef liver, followed by trout, salmon and top sirloin beef. Pork and chicken provide small amounts of B12, but have less than one-eighth as much as steak.
     
     
   Cereals and Breads
   
   • Many breads and cereals contain fortified bioavailable vitaminB12. Often, yeast used to make bread is fortified with vitamin B12. The B12 content of breads and cereals is listed in their Nutritional Information, so you can tell if a bread or cereal has been fortified with B12 by checking the package information. Fortified breads and cereals are a good source of vitamin B12, and have more than chicken or pork.
     
     
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   Milk and Eggs
   
   • Yogurt is the best option to get your vitamin B12 through dairy products. Yogurt has one-quarter of the recommended daily allowance of vitamin B12.
     Milk, eggs and cheese are a decent source of vitamin B12. Milk and eggs offer a better dose of B12 than both pork and chicken, but you would still have to eat 10 eggs per day to get your minimum vitamin B12 amount.
     
     
   Vegan Sources of B12
   
   • You can meet your B12 needs by eating organic fresh fruits and vegetables. Mushrooms and root vegetables that have not been commercially washed contain vitamin B12.
     
     
   Misconceptions
   
   • It is a common misconception that plants such as soy, spirulina and seaweed can supply the body with adequate B12. The reality is that no plant is a good source of vitamin B12.
     
     

[Joaniesmom]

I'd rather put my money into good food than into pills any day. It's better for you and tastes better. Isn't there an old Italian saying about it's better to give your money to the grocer that to the doctor? Always liked that one but can't remember it exactly. Darn!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

.... not by preaching, but by example....

Good post except for your concept of "preaching". I'm not exactly sure what it is. Perhaps you could state how one would go about giving an example of not getting cancer, heart trouble, diabetes, arthritis etc.. Youngsters can observe adults eating healthy foods but they may not know the prupose unless they are told. If you tell people what will happen if they continue eating this or that, is that preaching? Was your post preaching?

Treats are saved for special occasions and nothing is restricted.....or that would make for a very boring existence.

Sounds like an opinion from someone who has cravings for unhealthy foods. I'm happy to say I don't have such cravings. From my experience, whenever you have "treats" you reinforce the need for more in the future. And that sets up a self destructive existence.

[shcisamax]

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I'm happy to say I don't have such cravings. From my experience, whenever you have "treats" you reinforce the need for more in the future. And that sets up a self destructive existence.[/QUOTE]

Yikes!!!! Sounds quite rigid versus balanced. lol oops. This isn't the balanced diet thread. It is the supplement thread. Hmmn. Can treats be supplements or perhaps supplements be treats?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Yikes!!!! Sounds quite rigid versus balanced. lol oops. This isn't the balanced diet thread. It is the supplement thread. Hmmn. Can treats be supplements or perhaps supplements be treats?

If something sounds "rigid" it's usually because of a lack of understanding. Just like good balance doesn't come from taking vitamins, you will also fail to get good balance by eating junk food in moderation.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If something sounds "rigid" it's usually because of a lack of understanding.

To clear up any lack of understanding:

rig·id   [rij-id] Show IPA
adjective
1.
stiff or unyielding; not pliant or flexible; hard: a rigid strip of metal.
2.
firmly fixed or set.
3.
inflexible, strict, or severe: a rigid disciplinarian; rigid rules of social behavior.



4.
exacting; thorough; rigorous: a rigid examination.
5.
so as to meet precise standards; stringent: lenses ground to rigid specifications.

[lightworker888]

Dr. Joel Wallach, a long standing expert on Nutrition and Health gave a good talk that I think really covers the subject well. Also I was thinking that the original article may have been referring to multi vitamin supplements like Once a Day which typically do not have the adequate amts of the different Vit and Mins.

Again I'm just the messenger though the info made alot of sense to me.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgrBRMp44dU]Have You Heard - Part 1 of 8 - YouTube[/ame]


LW888

[rubicon]

Discussing the issue of vitamins can get you into as much trouble as discussing politics and religion.

I have family members whom take mega doses of vitamins. I won't comment but from all my reading over the years mega doses stress the organs and what are not used pass through. My wife and I have always and continue to eat balanced meals each day. Obviously there are some special circumstances were vitmins are beneficial

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Discussing the issue of vitamins can get you into as much trouble as discussing politics and religion.

I have family members whom take mega doses of vitamins. I won't comment but from all my reading over the years mega doses stress the organs and what are not used pass through. My wife and I have always and continue to eat balanced meals each day. Obviously there are some special circumstances were vitmins are beneficial

This is just an anecdote but it illustrates what you just said about putting stress on organs: I had a cousin who was a health nut and believed in taking mega doses of vitamins. Most of them were taken separately like C, E, and soforth. He had a whole cabinet full of various kinds. Then one day he started getting pains in his midsection. When he went to the doctor it was diagnosed as liver cancer and he only lived for about another 2 weeks.

Some may be quick to point out that I can't prove it. That's true, I can't. But I have read in various books that too many vitamin supplements can be toxic. I even read that too many antioxidant supplements can bring about an imbalance, backfire, and cause problems.

Some drug company is working on a pill for resveratrol and at first I thought it was a great idea. But if it gets sold over-the-counter like a supplement, I wonder how many people will overconsume it as if it's a miracle cure for some inflammatory condition? (I know it's already sold as a supplement but it's not formulated and tested by a drug company.)

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Dr. Joel Wallach, a long standing expert on Nutrition and Health

Yes for a DOG, he's a veterinarian ...........come on.......Another wing-nut

He's only a self proclaimed expert.

Read this about his background, scroll down a bit.

[lightworker888]

A vet first and then a medical doctor. He became a pathologist who discovered many interesting links between disease and nutritional deficit. No comment on the Quackwatch references.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath. Nuff said.

LW888

[Challenger]

Talking about vitamins and health supplements is akin to discussing politics and religion. The published materials that I have read indicate that in most cases these products are worthless,save some placebo effect. Fortunes are spent by gulible consumers on these products when appropriate diet and exercise regimens would produce better results. There now, I've said it and I am glad!!!