[B767drvr]

Here's a great article Jimbo and VPL, and anyone else SINCERELY interested in nutrition. Word is FINALLY getting out:


Abstract

The objective of this article is to present to physicians an update on plant-based diets. Concerns about the rising cost of health care are being voiced nationwide, even as unhealthy lifestyles are contributing to the spread of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. For these reasons, physicians looking for cost-effective interventions to improve health outcomes are becoming more involved in helping their patients adopt healthier lifestyles. Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity."


"Too often, physicians ignore the potential benefits of good nutrition and quickly prescribe medications instead of giving patients a chance to correct their disease through healthy eating and active living. If we are to slow down the obesity epidemic and reduce the complications of chronic disease, we must consider changing our culture’s mind-set from “live to eat” to “eat to live.” The future of health care will involve an evolution toward a paradigm where the prevention and treatment of disease is centered, not on a pill or surgical procedure, but on another serving of fruits and vegetables."



Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Here's a great article Jimbo and VPL, and anyone else SINCERELY interested in nutrition. Word is FINALLY getting out:


Abstract

The objective of this article is to present to physicians an update on plant-based diets. Concerns about the rising cost of health care are being voiced nationwide, even as unhealthy lifestyles are contributing to the spread of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. For these reasons, physicians looking for cost-effective interventions to improve health outcomes are becoming more involved in helping their patients adopt healthier lifestyles. Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity."


"Too often, physicians ignore the potential benefits of good nutrition and quickly prescribe medications instead of giving patients a chance to correct their disease through healthy eating and active living. If we are to slow down the obesity epidemic and reduce the complications of chronic disease, we must consider changing our culture’s mind-set from “live to eat” to “eat to live.” The future of health care will involve an evolution toward a paradigm where the prevention and treatment of disease is centered, not on a pill or surgical procedure, but on another serving of fruits and vegetables."



Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets

On the link you provided they recommended a diet that is explained on ChooseMyPlate.gov. Half the plate is to consist of non starchy vegetables, 1/4 whole grains and 1/4 lean protein. This MyPlate diet may be better than what most people are currently eating, but to my knowledge it's not a plant based diet. I believe it's an omnivore diet.

I believe a true plant based diet excludes animal protein.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

On the link you provided they recommended a diet that is explained on ChooseMyPlate.gov. Half the plate is to consist of non starchy vegetables, 1/4 whole grains and 1/4 lean protein. This MyPlate diet may be better than what most people are currently eating, but to my knowledge it's not a plant based diet. I believe it's an omnivore diet.

I believe a true plant based diet excludes animal protein.

I think they are wisely suggesting that a plant-based diet doesn't have to be made up of only plants. Just a majority of plants. What you are talking about, in my opinion, is a plant only diet, which is must more restrictive and maybe unnecessary for optimum health.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I think they are wisely suggesting that a plant-based diet doesn't have to be made up of only plants. Just a majority of plants. What you are talking about, in my opinion, is a plant only diet, which is must more restrictive and maybe unnecessary for optimum health.

VPL, I believe CFrance is correct. Here is the supporting information from the "Conclusion" section:

"A plant-based diet is not an all-or-nothing program, but a way of life that is tailored to each individual. It may be especially beneficial for those with obesity, Type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, lipid disorders, or cardiovascular disease. The benefits realized will be relative to the level of adherence and the amount of animal products consumed. Strict forms of plant-based diets with little or no animal products may be needed for individuals with inoperable or severe coronary artery disease. Low-sodium, plant-based diets may be prescribed for individuals with high blood pressure or a family history of coronary artery disease or stroke. A patient with obesity and diabetes will benefit from a plant-based diet that includes a moderate amount of fruits and vegetables and minimal low-fat animal products."

I added the bold to what I believe is the point you are making. That is, the less (or NO) animal products, the better.

Personally, after doing much reading, I have chosen to be majority plant-based with "some" fish (mostly salmon), an occasional egg or two, and "some" cheese (occasionally either on a pizza or with a glass of wine). I know Gracie would approve! Just about every author I've read on this subject allows "some" animal product and still considers it extremely healthy.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I think they are wisely suggesting that a plant-based diet doesn't have to be made up of only plants. Just a majority of plants. What you are talking about, in my opinion, is a plant only diet, which is must more restrictive and maybe unnecessary for optimum health.

What I'm worried about is them possibly developing new, unclear definitions of the phrase "plant based diet". A vegan diet is a plant based diet and a vegetarian diet is plant based. Now meat eaters can claim to be eating a plant based diet? I feel like this phrase "plant based diet" has been stretched to cover everything and, consequently, it has become almost meaningless.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

VPL, I believe CFrance is correct. Here is the supporting information from the "Conclusion" section:

"A plant-based diet is not an all-or-nothing program, but a way of life that is tailored to each individual. It may be especially beneficial for those with obesity, Type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, lipid disorders, or cardiovascular disease. The benefits realized will be relative to the level of adherence and the amount of animal products consumed. Strict forms of plant-based diets with little or no animal products may be needed for individuals with inoperable or severe coronary artery disease. Low-sodium, plant-based diets may be prescribed for individuals with high blood pressure or a family history of coronary artery disease or stroke. A patient with obesity and diabetes will benefit from a plant-based diet that includes a moderate amount of fruits and vegetables and minimal low-fat animal products."

I added the bold to what I believe is the point you are making. That is, the less (or NO) animal products, the better.

Personally, after doing much reading, I have chosen to be majority plant-based with "some" fish (mostly salmon), an occasional egg or two, and "some" cheese (occasionally either on a pizza or with a glass of wine). I know Gracie would approve! Just about every author I've read on this subject allows "some" animal product and still considers it extremely healthy.

I wasn't doubting that the diet may have some merits. This diet may be a way for people to slowly gravitate toward something better. As I just explained to CFrance, I'm worried about the confusion that may be created by stretching the phrase "plant based diet". It will be something like the phrase, "everything in moderation". What does it mean? Nothing, in my opinion.

It seems to me like they just took the phrase and redefined it - stretched it - to suit their own needs. It puts an undeserved halo on animal protein, in my opinion.

Some have given the advice to, "eat everything in moderation" but they never explain what it really means. It's evasive. Now they will be able say they eat a plant based diet and that will be another evasion, which will make it difficult to have meaningful conversations in the future.

Perhaps they should call it a "plant based omnivore diet".

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

..... I'm worried about the confusion that may be created by stretching the phrase "plant based diet". It will be something like the phrase, "everything in moderation". What does it mean?

Those of us who eat in moderation understand exactly what it means --- not excessive or extreme!


mod·er·ate (mŏd′ər-ĭt)adj.

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.

[plimit56]

Read the book Forks Over Knifes , which is plant based life style eating. Lots of Good recipes and very healthy. We do eat some chicken and pork.

[dbussone]

It is only evasive if one pretends to not understand so as to avoid a model which represents common sense to many.

[Fraugoofy]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

On the link you provided they recommended a diet that is explained on ChooseMyPlate.gov. Half the plate is to consist of non starchy vegetables, 1/4 whole grains and 1/4 lean protein. This MyPlate diet may be better than what most people are currently eating, but to my knowledge it's not a plant based diet. I believe it's an omnivore diet.

I believe a true plant based diet excludes animal protein.

But can you find it at Arbys?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Those of us who eat in moderation understand exactly what it means --- not excessive or extreme!


mod·er·ate (mŏd′ər-ĭt)adj.

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.

Extreme by whose standards?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

It is only evasive if one pretends to not understand so as to avoid a model which represents common sense to many.

What about those who pretend to understand?

[graciegirl]

I find it hard to watch the show Hoarders. On it many times a person will hold on to a gum wrapper or something else similar, like plastic covers to newspapers, trying so passionately to explain that he/she may need it for something. If someone throws it away, frequently the hoarder will become angry, sullen, withdrawn, vindictive.

OCD is a very, very hard thing to understand, both by the person having it, and by the people they interact with.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Extreme by whose standards?

By roughly 99% of humanity I would guess. (Yes...just my opinion. )

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Those of us who eat in moderation understand exactly what it means --- not excessive or extreme!

mod·er·ate (mŏd′ər-ĭt)adj.

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Extreme by whose standards?

Here is the definition of extreme.
I would think that the dictionary definition would be a standard for 99% of the population.

ex·treme
ikˈstrēm/
adjective
adjective: extreme

1. 1.
   reaching a high or the highest degree; very great.
   "extreme cold"
   synonyms:utmost, very great, greatest, greatest possible, maximum, maximal, highest, supreme, great, acute, enormous, severe, high, exceptional, extraordinary "extreme danger"