[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Is it air popped?

If it has butter on it, I hope the butter comes from cows that are grass fed. Then the butter will be high in omega-3. Grain fed cows are high in omega-6.

[jimbo2012]

Butter, no dairy, I'm sure you know of the link with Casein.

Just sea salt.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't worry so much about any of this. I have an intensive workout at the gym 3 times a week, and look at food in terms of protein and vitamins and nutrients generally associated with them. I don't obsess about it. I pretty much eat anything I feel like eating, and try to eat things I know are mainly "empty" calories in moderation. Everything in moderation.

I don't ban delicious food from my diet for some notion of "bad nutrition". I just don't pig out on it.

Every so often you crave a good hot dog. When I do, I don't deny myself.

Your intensive workouts may cancel out some of the harmful effects of the occasional fast food items that you eat. If only everyone would be as consciencious about working out.

Good luck and good health.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

No. My husband of fifty years, that sweet man, told me long ago that you can't win a ****ing contest.

The only thing required here is to be thoughtful and truthful. Is that too much to ask?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Butter, no dairy, I'm sure you know of the link with Casein.

Just sea salt.

Okay, sounds good to me.

[ariel]

I love book clubs. I enjoy the discussion and I don't remember a single time that anyone has been negatively criticized for their opinions or impressions although frequently these vary a lot from participant to participant. I learn something new every time I participate in or listen to any discussion.

I think discussions of health and nutrition are good and can be a learning experience for all of us. We might not agree nor change our habits - even if the data are overwhelming. But we should probably listen, consider what we hear, and maybe read a little more about it. We can't deny that there are many health problems with clear (science) nutritional links.

I enjoy the discussions.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If it has butter on it, I hope the butter comes from cows that are grass fed. Then the butter will be high in omega-3. Grain fed cows are high in omega-6.

Anyone who has actually raised dairy cattle and farmed the crops that feed them knows they're fed both.

And if you'd ever shoveled their sh*t, you'd know it all looks, squirts, and stinks the same.

[njbchbum]

villages pl - ya know what - you can have the last word in our tit-for-tat because your proselytizing is not worthy of my time. i have laundry to do. have a great dietetic day.

[RedChariot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

And when they show up at the ER with a heart attack or stroke, is that when they start caring? If they don't care, they shouldn't call 911 to begin with. They should have the good sense to just stay home and die so we don't have to pay higher insurance premiums for their $50,000 dollar by-pass surgery.

Surely you don't mean this. How unkind. If someone gets Cancer should we in the medical field say well he didn't do everything he should have done in life so lets just toss him aside. Sometimes everything is not in our control. We are human. Not perfect. Please don't judge that obese person until you have gone through their life experience. Same for the alcholic and drug addicted. The obese are becoming the current day leper. Sad.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Surely you don't mean this. How unkind. If someone gets Cancer should we in the medical field say well he didn't do everything he should have done in life so lets just toss him aside. Sometimes everything is not in our control. We are human. Not perfect. Please don't judge that obese person until you have gone through their life experience. Same for the alcholic and drug addicted.

I don't think that was the meaning - sounds like tough love!

But the comment was not directed at cancer alcoholism or drug addition, it was directed at cardiac vascular events that are detectable, controllable with diet & exercise.

The obese are becoming the current day leper. Sad.

Not so sad, as avoidable & reversible.


Not sure why a few folks are getting uptight about these issues, Google this stuff it's all out there.
Discuss don't argue it's a forum to exchange ideas!!!!


Eat better live longer - or not!

"Be happy while you're living, for you're a long time dead."
- Scottish Proverb

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[graciegirl]

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[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Anyone who has actually raised dairy cattle and farmed the crops that feed them knows they're fed both.

And if you'd ever shoveled their sh*t, you'd know it all looks, squirts, and stinks the same.

I lived on a dairy farm when I was 9 years old and back then, on our farm, we did feed both grass and grain.

But today there are farms that don't use any grain. There's one not far from The Villages and the owner sells some of his products at the Wildwood market on Saturday mornings. I haven't gone to the market for several months but I'm sure he's still there. I don't use animal products anymoe but if I did, I would try some of his.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

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Discuss don't argue it's a forum to exchange ideas!!!!
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it is most difficult to have a discussion when someone responds with a know-it-all or at least an i know more than you do attitude.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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Speak up, I cannot hear you.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Surely you don't mean this. How unkind. If someone gets Cancer should we in the medical field say well he didn't do everything he should have done in life so lets just toss him aside. Sometimes everything is not in our control. We are human. Not perfect. Please don't judge that obese person until you have gone through their life experience. Same for the alcholic and drug addicted. The obese are becoming the current day leper. Sad.

Now it's getting somewhat out of context. I was responding to someone who said something to the effect that "they don't care". You should go back and read it. But it's fairly obvious that they will care when they show up at the ER. Right? Therefor, the fact of them not caring about eating junk and gaining too much weight, was just short sighted. That means the person (whoever it was) who posted to tell me that they don't care, is thoughtlessly supporting shortsighted people.

Believe me, the people who say they don't care are not going to take my advice. They WILL call 911 and they WILL run up health care costs for everyone. If people don't respect themselves, how do they expect to get respect from others?

I have nothing against those who care. In high school and beyond my best friend was obese. He was a great person and very intelligent. But his obese mother spoiled him by giving him everything he wanted. He drove a new Mercedes Benz to high school. She showed him how to make milk shakes and told him he could have one anytime he wanted. By the time he realized that being obese wasn't a good thing, it was too late. He spent the rest of his life fighting his weight problem. If I had known then what I know now, I might have been able to help him lose weight and keep it off for good. But I didn't have a clue about it back then.

I felt lucky to have him as a friend. For one thing, he was a fun person to be around and had loads of good qualities. And there's one thing I'll never forget: He told me, "don't ever gain weight because once you gain it, it's very difficult to lose".

I respected him; but I don't have much respect for those who say "they don't care". Maybe what the poster really meant was "I don't care".