[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

Do you have any evidence, any at all, that the incidence of deaths, in athletes or others, is any different now than it has always been? Because there is no such evidence. You just are getting fed scare data from sources with an agenda to make you anti-science and anti-vaccine. Young people have always had these adverse events.

My first patient as an asst. chief resident was a 19 year old with an aortic aneurism. My daughter had a soccer player drop dead playing against her team in the 1990s. I am fairly sure these were not Covid vaccine side effects.

There is no increase in sudden deaths. There was a signal finding of increase myocarditis from the J&J vaccine about 18 months ago which is why is not a shot of choice any longer.

Certain news media talking heads have giddily produced lists of young people who have had heart problems like the Bills football player and showed you that list and claimed that all of them are victims of a shot. No data whether they did or did not get a vaccine, or when. No data on whether there are more such cases now than in the past [there are not], just a list of names. Don't be a sucker for such nonsense.

Remember that Tucker won a defamation case when the Trump appointed judge wrote:


Remember that Hannity just testified that he never believed that the 2020 election was stolen.

If these people are your news sources look elsewhere. They are not stating actual facts and don't believe what they are telling you to believe.

You had me until you just had to play the "FOX News" card...

Don't forget, certain media "talking heads" were adamant that taking the vaccine would "stop it in its tracks" and would "prevent you from infecting others". Not to mention "prevent you from getting covid in the first place"...

But now, they insist they never said any of those things...

"If these people are your news sources look elsewhere. They are not stating actual facts and don't believe what they are telling you to believe."

Sage advice...

[ithos]

The fact of the matter is that there are highly credentialed and renowned health professionals in some of the most prestigious medical institutions and universities who have made very critical or cautionary assessments of the RNA vaccines.

From the onset of the pandemic, any medical expert who had a contrary opinion with the CDC regarding the vaccine or therapeutics was instantly vilified by the health agencies and the lemmings in the press.

Most of them believed that the vaccine had its place but recommendations should be based on age and health status.

The very fact that rigorous open debate was squelched using the power of government in the very beginning when there was very limited data on the virus and the experimental vaccine which required a waiver is very troubling. This is not how the scientific protocol is supposed to work. If you disagree then you will be silenced and prevented from working in your chosen field.

Remember how HQL and Ivermectin was denounced after Trump mentioning it? Well just days before:

Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced on Sunday that New York state has acquired 70,000 doses of Hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of Zithromax and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine after getting approval from the Food and Drug Administration to conduct the trials.

New York to begin experimental drug trials Tuesday – The Legislative Gazette

And there was also this:

The Korean Society of Infectious Diseases, Korean Society for Antimicrobial Therapy, Korean Society of Pediatric Infectious Diseases and a tuberculosis association published their recommendations on Thursday.

South Korean disease experts have begun to recommend the use of a combination of antiviral and anti-malaria drugs for patients of the new strain of coronavirus.

South Korea experts recommend anti-HIV, anti-malaria drugs for COVID-19 - UPI.com


For the record I received both of the Pfizer gene therapy shots.

This level of censorship and coercion has not been been inflicted on science since Galileo.

[drstevens]

reporting adverse reactions:
The COVID Blog(R) - Official blog of COVID Legal USA™. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant.

[Love2Swim]

If people don't want to get the vaccines, works for me. Thinning of the herd. Bring it on.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

If people don't want to get the vaccines, works for me. Thinning of the herd. Bring it on.

You are obviously going off script.

'The looming question': Fauci says studies suggest vaccines slow virus spread
The bottom-line message, Fauci says, is "when your turn to get vaccinated comes up, get vaccinated."

'''The looming question''': Fauci says studies suggest vaccines slow virus spread


Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus
Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus | The Hill

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

My intent here is NOT to begin a whole "vax" "no vax" on line "argument" (that would never end), but just to comment that I fear this is only the beginning. As more data becomes available (remember "the larger the sample") and it's pouring in from other countries as well, there is going to be even much more to come. A colleague in a European country, with whom I communicate frequently, has given me a worrisome report on what they are finding in relation to various Covid formulations and data from boosters now, and asked me why our country has so little interest in aggressive data analysis. I have no idea ? Perhaps the oldest "root".... money, profit ? But, definitely am looking for more news, and possibly not what we want to hear.

Why are we even talking about this anymore? Go live your life. They’re making it all up anyway. End of line.

[ithos]

Who would have thought that the Swedes could be so anti science?

Sweden to stop offering Covid jabs to teenagers

Sweden's Public Health Agency said Friday it was no longer recommending that children aged 12 to 17 get vaccinated against Covid-19, citing the "very low risk" for the group.

After having a high death toll at the beginning of the pandemic, the Nordic country now has fewer deaths per capita than the European average.

[oldtimes]

My own observations about this is that the only people I know that died from Covid were not vaccinated. However the ones I know who have had it the most times were vaccinated and fully boosted. I personally only had the initial vaccine series (2 shots) back in 2021. The one and only time I got Covid it was so mild I’ve had colds that were worse. I have to wonder if people are so over-vaccinated that they can no longer produce a natural response. What is everyone’s own experience with this?

[Joe Mack]

openvaers.com

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

That's why the unvaccinated in China are dropping like flies. Karma is a bitch.

You should be thanking the vaccinated for protecting you and your family instead of slinging ignorant insults.

The Chinese situation IS pretty much, "the proof is in the pudding".....an old Chinese proverb.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Harold.wiser

It was not properly tested and ru$hed to the market. The long-term effects of this DNA altering "vaccine" will not be known for quite some time however, some of the negative effects are already surfacing.
There must be big money in it because they are still promoting it!

My humble prayer.............................Oh God, please give me an FCC that prevents lies and propaganda on American radio and TV.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

My own observations about this is that the only people I know that died from Covid were not vaccinated. However the ones I know who have had it the most times were vaccinated and fully boosted. I personally only had the initial vaccine series (2 shots) back in 2021. The one and only time I got Covid it was so mild I’ve had colds that were worse. I have to wonder if people are so over-vaccinated that they can no longer produce a natural response. What is everyone’s own experience with this?

I've had 4 Pfizer shots total. I had COVID last year, maybe six months ago? Seven? Something like that. The only reason I even suspected I might have it, was because I couldn't taste the cinnamon in my coffee that morning. I know that loss of taste/smell is a symptom. I took the test you get free from the government that morning (I had 4 of them because - free stuff). It was positive. I allowed for the possibility of a false positive and tested again the next day. Also positive. I isolated for 5 days, tested a third time, negative. Continued on my merry way.

BTW I was able to taste the cinnamon in my coffee the second day, and had no other symptoms at all.

Fast forward to around a month ago I started getting the sniffles. I still have them. I tested negative for COVID twice in the past month, so I'm just assuming it's - the sniffles. You can pretend that's an official medical diagnosis. I was a snot-nosed kid too.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You had me until you just had to play the "FOX News" card...

Don't forget, certain media "talking heads" were adamant that taking the vaccine would "stop it in its tracks" and would "prevent you from infecting others". Not to mention "prevent you from getting covid in the first place"...

But now, they insist they never said any of those things...

"If these people are your news sources look elsewhere. They are not stating actual facts and don't believe what they are telling you to believe."

Sage advice...

I personally believe that Covid WOULD have been stopped in its tracks, if during Delta, the anti-vaccers had not run their mouths so WOOF-si-fer-ous-ly - and the US vaccines had been as widely accepted as vaccines were in the distant past. And of course, NOW we would have NEEDED China to desire to use our vaccines and we desired to give it to them.
........And NOW we are too late and Covid is still incubating away.....23......7

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

Did any of you think when they said it wasn't tested that y'all were a part of the tests?? Trust the "science" they said........

It was tested on a SMALL group and government was worried about the potential for 1 MILLION Americans dying for nothing from the DISEASE (which did happen) that they made the CORRECT decision to go ahead and give out the shots.

[JP]

A friend of mine, who is an infectious disease Dr, says that after the 1917 era flu pandemic, Parkinson symptoms/disease could be correlated to previous flu infections. This was happening 40-50 years after the pandemic in people that were his patients. I think it is safe to say science/medicine has no clue what the future holds for covid survivors and/or vaccination effects. The covid virus may, like the chickenpox virus, just go live in some ganglion and emerge as something that has never been seen. Likewise, the vaccine could cause some alteration we really don't know about although he felt this was less likely due to the vaccine being mRNA vs. a "real" vaccine that uses DNA that might be more readily incorporated into your genetic structure. Time will tell.