[Haggar]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

No masks are effective! Recently found out that my daughter-in-law who is a registered nurse tested positive for Covid and of course then so did my son, and his mother. none of them had any severe symptoms and only felt a slight fever for like less than a day. My daughter-in-law wore an N 95 mask at work. Found out that the Covid molecule is small enough that it will go through even an N 95 mask. The masks you see people wearing in grocery stores and Walmart and other places are absolutely useless. You cannot hide from a virus just like you can’t hide from the common cold or the flu. Sooner or later we’re all going to be exposed to this, but the good news is it’s 99% survivable. Most people that get it don’t even know they had it. I’ll let the geniuses out here figure out why this virus has been so weaponized by the media?

The virus molecule is small enough to go through the mask. However, see the following from fact checks:

Theory: COVID 19 virus particle size is 125 nanometers (0.125 microns); the range is 0.06 microns to .14 microns,” the post said. “The N95 mask filters down to 0.3 microns. So, N95 masks block few, if any, virions (virus particles).”

In other words, the post asserts the virus is smaller than the filter on the N95 mask, so the N95 mask doesn’t work.

Facts: Experts say this claim flies in the face of numerous studies and reflects a failure to grasp fundamental principles of how viruses behave and how face masks work.

Virus particles don’t exist alone
The science of mask functionality gets really small, really fast. The unit of measurement here is microns — 1/1000th of a millimeter.

The size-based argument against N95 laid out in this claim assumes mask filtering works something like water flowing through a net — particles in the water smaller than the net opening pass through, while larger items don’t.

But the physics involved don’t work like that at all.

The COVID-19 particle is indeed around 0.1 microns in size, but it is always bonded to something larger.

The virus attaches to water droplets or aerosols (i.e. really small droplets) that are generated by breathing, talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological material and are all larger than 1 micron.

“Breathing and talking generate particles around 1 micron in size, which will be collected by N95 respirator filters with very high efficiency,” said Lisa Brosseau, a retired professor of environmental and occupational health sciences who spent her career researching respiratory protection.

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

One of the important and rather shocking parts of the study was that certain "masks" are effectively worse than no mask at all !

Some on this list will use this as yet another argument for not wearing masks. But the intelligent take away should be to wear the right masks, not that it’s better to wear no mask at all.

[sooziesoul]

I’ve been trying to inform people if this very information but they choose to believe that these masks work. They don’t! Spent 40 years in healthcare and wore masks. I know what they help with and what they don’t.

[davem4616]

I'm wondering when retailers will start paying a royalty to folks willing to wear masks that promote their products

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

No masks are effective! Recently found out that my daughter-in-law who is a registered nurse tested positive for Covid and of course then so did my son, and his mother. none of them had any severe symptoms and only felt a slight fever for like less than a day. My daughter-in-law wore an N 95 mask at work. Found out that the Covid molecule is small enough that it will go through even an N 95 mask. The masks you see people wearing in grocery stores and Walmart and other places are absolutely useless. You cannot hide from a virus just like you can’t hide from the common cold or the flu. Sooner or later we’re all going to be exposed to this, but the good news is it’s 99% survivable. Most people that get it don’t even know they had it. I’ll let the geniuses out here figure out why this virus has been so weaponized by the media?

1. Covid is what you get, AFTER you are infected with coronavirus.
2. It is the coronavirus, NOT Covid, that has the small molecules you're talking about.
3. The molecules, while yes - molecular (doh)...cannot travel AT ALL without being carried by something. In the case of coronavirus, it passes via moisture droplets from one person's face (tears, snot, saliva) to another person.
4. The masks prevent those droplets from touching your face, because they create a barrier between external moisture and your face.
5. The masks aren't foolproof, if they aren't secured to your face with an air-tight seal (as FITTED N95 masks are). But the are better than no mask at all.

[17362]

Eat healthy, wash your hands, clean your touch surfaces, wear a mask in public, keep distancing as often as you can, ... it’s a virus, no virus can be eliminated- just reduced. We can build immunities. We all are human.
The saddest part... hugs. Hand shakes are replaced with nods, I know why the Japanese culture gives a prompt “bow” as respect now instead of hand shakes. Centuries ahead of USA for contact with one another.
We do our part. That’s all a person can do. Imagine if we all did it. Every little thing helps IMO, even masks, it’s better than nothing at all.

[merrymini]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

I'm glad I had some N95 and N95 with a valve before the pandemic came along. I look at people wearing surgical mask and those fashionable mask and think about how they're still exposed to catching the virus. At least they're helping to prevent the spread of their germs if they do get it. It's disturbing to see news feeds showing people with no mask and even people purposely spitting and coughing on common touch areas in public. Covid parties, prisoners and gangs have also been in the news spreading the virus on purpose.
A person who has done a lot of research on this subject here in the villages name Goodlife said by October 1st he believes the virus will disappear. I hope he's right.

Not likely

[transplanted]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

I'm glad I had some N95 and N95 with a valve before the pandemic came along. I look at people wearing surgical mask and those fashionable mask and think about how they're still exposed to catching the virus. At least they're helping to prevent the spread of their germs if they do get it. It's disturbing to see news feeds showing people with no mask and even people purposely spitting and coughing on common touch areas in public. Covid parties, prisoners and gangs have also been in the news spreading the virus on purpose.
A person who has done a lot of research on this subject here in the villages name Goodlife said by October 1st he believes the virus will disappear. I hope he's right.

Delta Airlines, United, Jet Blue and more recently announced they will no longer allow masks with valves. Just fyi in case anyone is flying.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by 17362

Eat healthy, wash your hands, clean your touch surfaces, wear a mask in public, keep distancing as often as you can, ... it’s a virus, no virus can be eliminated- just reduced. Every little thing helps IMO, even masks, it’s better than nothing at all.

[rmd2]

You can get the KN95 mask at Ace Hardware for $9 for 2 masks. Very safe mask, with filters, fits well around your face, bands around your ears, comfortable and easy breathing. My favorite mask.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I didn't actually say the virus would disappear. I predicted that the surge of new cases in Florida would start going down before end of July (it did) and then said that by October 1 cases and deaths would be at very low levels.

As far as masks go, I think they are better than nothing but would not trust them to protect spread or infection of very fine aerosols indoors. Safest form of protection is social distancing and stay out of buildings. If you look at places like New York where they locked down March 14 and then started recommending masks a few weeks later, the result was one of the highest death rates per million in the world.

Or look at the Philippines which has been locked down tight for almost 5 months and is the most mask compliant country in the world, but they are currently experiencing a surge of new cases which is probably worse than it looks because they don't test much. Virus appears to do it's thing no matter what we do. Fortunately, it looks like large percentages of populations have pre existing T cell immunity.


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When one person down-plays the risks of CV (which are not yet completely understood or quantified), then some others that listen MAY? be influenced into increasing their own risks. Enough people taking MORE risks means MORE hospitalizations, suffering, and DEATHS. The taxpayer pays for hospitals and also picks up the tab for some risk-takers hospital stays. Who is more responsible? The risk-taker or take-a-risk advocate?
PS -- Fl cases decreased recently directly BECAUSE high level "down-players" made a concerted effort to limit and discourage testing in Fl and elsewhere. Less tests, less cases, but still CV rolls on. Too bad, so sad, it is what it is as Florida's happy life style and 'good life' rolls away. It is what it is. Strange world!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

Please note from the chart below that an N95 mask is perfect, and a regular surgical mask is nearly perfect, but an N95 mask with a valve is FAR from perfect—there are many better options. The valve lets your breath escape unfiltered, so while it may keep you safe, it doesn’t keep others as safe as some other options. These valves masks aren’t for use in settings where people could catch something from you. (In the chart, green is NO mask. Orange is how much gets through at difference sneeze velocities. No orange, no worry. Lots of orange, find something better. Fleece is by far the worst mask. The different Cotton numbers indicate thickness.)

Finally! Someone puts in a graph that really has MEANING. Good work!

[sunny56]

Originally Posted by Haggar

Where are you getting 99% survival rate??? As of this morning 163,473 deaths out of 5,095,163 = 3.2 fatality rate. 1 out of every 33 people don't survive.

You got the percent wrong. 3.2 percent is a 96.8 survival rate that is 1 in 96.8 survives. Not bad odds.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sunny56

You got the percent wrong. 3.2 percent is a 96.8 survival rate that is 1 in 96.8 survives. Not bad odds.

96.8 people would be about 97 people to make it simple. If 1 SURVIVES and 97 DIES, That is pretty bad odds. Humanity would be gone.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When one person down-plays the risks of CV (which are not yet completely understood or quantified), then some others that listen MAY? be influenced into increasing their own risks. Enough people taking MORE risks means MORE hospitalizations, suffering, and DEATHS. The taxpayer pays for hospitals and also picks up the tab for some risk-takers hospital stays. Who is more responsible? The risk-taker or take-a-risk advocate?
PS -- Fl cases decreased recently directly BECAUSE high level "down-players" made a concerted effort to limit and discourage testing in Fl and elsewhere. Less tests, less cases, but still CV rolls on. Too bad, so sad, it is what it is as Florida's happy life style and 'good life' rolls away. It is what it is. Strange world!

Where did you dream this up from?