[Byte1]

Vaccinations are great, mandates not so much.
How can we be confident in our gov. when they have not even been honest with us about the origin of the virus? I find it interesting that taxpayer money went to China for "gain-of-function" study? I get the idea from how quiet they have kept our involvement, that the virus originated in the U.S. of A. I certainly hope that we are not culprits in this pandemic, BUT......the more I read about it, the more I see America's hands involved. It's amazing how fast we developed a vaccine too.
Sorry, I just have a suspicious nature.
I personally do not know anyone that has died from the vaccination or boosters. Then again, the only ones that I personally know that died WITH Covid were in the hospital for something else at the time and passed while being treated for a different issue than Covid. It was determined that they tested positive for Covid. So, the only issues I have heard of from friends and family were from the shots itself. A few sore arms and a few that feel lasting effects from the shots. One having a sore arm months after receiving the shot.
Everyone that I know has had Covid at least once. None of them have died FROM Covid (two WITH Covid). I have seen no difference in the symptoms being different in either group in my family and friends that have had the vaccinations or those that did not get vaccinated. Just saying, not proving anything.
I do believe in vaccinations. I am not anti-vaxx. My concern is whether or not they will ever eradicate this blight.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Byte1

A recent study is interesting. Apparently, there is an 85% increased chance of heart attack within 28 days of getting the second covid shot for those 18 to 38 years old.

COVID causes significantly higher risk of heart disease than the vaccines. More and more studies like this are being published

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Google COVID stroke for more info.

[Whitley]

And now there is a new wave of covid, not to mention the gain of function we did in Massachusetts where a new covid strain with 80% fatality was created. Not exactly sure why such a thing was created, but Fauci would have stopped it if it was bad for us. With all of this happening, fewer and fewer people are wearing masks these days. This site likes to talk about dogs, well some of them are smarter than people. I saw one wearing a mask yesterday by LSL (it could have been a muzzle but in these times, it was probably a mask). Some here could learn a thing or two from our four legged friends. And speaking of mice, we owe those four brave mice that Pfizer tested the vaccine on a debt of gratitude. Having brought up the topic of people under 50, how selfish are they. I did not work hard all my life so I could get a case of covid from some selfish millennial who refuses to stay home and isolate, not work and isolate. These years are mine, I worked for them. If we need to pay people another 7,200 to stay home and not earn a living for another two years so we can flatten the curve, then we should do it. It adds up to a couple of fewer tanks to Ukraine. We seniors worked hard all of our lives so we can enjoy this time. It is OUR time, and I will NOT share it with some inconsiderate olgre. Talk about selfish.

[Michael 61]

Got vax’d and first booster. No more boosters for me, my doctor is questioning them as well.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Michael 61

Got vax’d and first booster. No more boosters for me, my doctor is questioning them as well.

You need to find a new doctor. Yours cannot even follow directives. He was not supposed to question them out loud. We should have some way to know who received 2, 3, 4, or 5 vaccines. Maybe put a colorful item on our golf carts. White means you have resisted getting the jab. Happy being a walking petri dish. Blue, only got the first of the set. May go back for more, may not. Yellow, half and half. You really want to get stuck multiple times, but are nervous, so you wait. Hang out at CVS and watch others get the vaccine, you would hang a purple something from your cart. Pink if you will only get the shot if others watch. Why get it if you cant use it to show how much you care. #science. Black, you'd be the crazy man of covid. Take every shot imaginable while sharing cigarettes with covid patients.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Whitley

You need to find a new doctor. Yours cannot even follow directives. He was not supposed to question them out loud. We should have some way to know who received 2, 3, 4, or 5 vaccines. Maybe put a colorful item on our golf carts. White means you have resisted getting the jab. Happy being a walking petri dish. Blue, only got the first of the set. May go back for more, may not. Yellow, half and half. You really want to get stuck multiple times, but are nervous, so you wait. Hang out at CVS and watch others get the vaccine, you would hang a purple something from your cart. Pink if you will only get the shot if others watch. Why get it if you cant use it to show how much you care. #science. Black, you'd be the crazy man of covid. Take every shot imaginable while sharing cigarettes with covid patients.

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.

This is an unprecedented (#unprecedented) pandemic (#science). A covid vaccine should be required to do anything. Remember when we had to have our food left at the curb for us to hook as we drove by, never coming near another human (#cellaronions). I do not want to go back to this. The worse can be coming, and people have the nerve to just go about living. My nephew testy has very very long covid. If he only knew who to stay away from. Feeling down after booster (the cat) disappeared for a while he snuck out from the attic and caught it.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Whitley

This is an unprecedented (#unprecedented) pandemic (#science). A covid vaccine should be required to do anything. Remember when we had to have our food left at the curb for us to hook as we drove by, never coming near another human (#cellaronions). I do not want to go back to this. The worse can be coming, and people have the nerve to just go about living. My nephew testy has very very long covid. If he only knew who to stay away from. Feeling down after booster (the cat) disappeared for a while he snuck out from the attic and caught it.

I’m amazed by the booster angst. Don’t people realize we have much larger threats looming over our heads at this point in time?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Whitley

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?

It is pretty common knowledge that if you have gotten all 5 of your shots that if you do get Covid that your symptoms will be MUCH less severe. And yes, it does decrease the spread. I say all 5 of your shots because I don't like the terminology shots and boosters. It makes it seem like boosters are more incidental and NOT as important as the initial 2 shots. And eventually, - there will be a 6th shot and then a 7th. If 95% of all US people had gotten all of their shots, then Covid would be a thing of the past - as it is people are still dying from it (mostly the unvaccinated) and it is likely to increase this winter.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is pretty common knowledge that if you have gotten all 5 of your shots that if you do get Covid that your symptoms will be MUCH less severe. And yes, it does decrease the spread. I say all 5 of your shots because I don't like the terminology shots and boosters. It makes it seem like boosters are more incidental and NOT as important as the initial 2 shots. And eventually, - there will be a 6th shot and then a 7th. If 95% of all US people had gotten all of their shots, then Covid would be a thing of the past - as it is people are still dying from it (mostly the unvaccinated) and it is likely to increase this winter.

Wow who would have thought I would agree with one of your posts.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Hmmm, looks like someone is in the wrong country. Should we maybe put a large yellow star on their breast pocket so that everyone will know they did not conform? Last I heard was that there is NO vaccination mandate. Whether or not someone has had their boosters or not is no one else's business. Unless someone is walking around in public, knowing they are infected they have the same rights as those that are vaccinated. If they are ill than they should stay home, just as they should if they have the Flu.

Ok, there is NO vaccine mandate. And that may be a GOOD thing. But, I would say THEN, that it is ALSO not a GOOD thing that one popular TV channel is throwing out propaganda saying that Americans should NOT get the Covid vaccine. Also, so are the various dark media channels saying that same idea to the detriment of the US of A.
IMO these anti-vaxx naysayers have links back to Russian trolls and Russian propaganda, which then get picked up by US dark media elements.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Ok, there is NO vaccine mandate. And that may be a GOOD thing. But, I would say THEN, that it is ALSO not a GOOD thing that one popular TV channel is throwing out propaganda saying that Americans should NOT get the Covid vaccine. Also, so are the various dark media channels saying that same idea to the detriment of the US of A.
IMO these anti-vaxx naysayers have links back to Russian trolls and Russian propaganda, which then get picked up by US dark media elements.

Do you think COVID vaccinations should be mandated for children?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wow who would have thought I would agree with one of your posts.

Every once in a while my mind breaks through the fog and I achieve clarity. Don't worry, it NEVER lasts for long!

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by BayLady57

I have to disagree with your last statement. I am a now retired R.N. and at the onset of the pandemic and 3 months into it I was detailed by the healthcare facility I worked at to be the triage nurse in their covid clinic. Not only was there no covid immunization available at that time, appropriate PPE was scarce. As hard as it may be to believe I was issued one flimsy surgical mask to wear for a week before I was issued a new one. Despite my high exposure to covid + patients and minimal PPE during that time I never contracted the virus. Throughout my long nursing career I received all necessary immunizations recommended by my employee health department, but after having an immediate pretty bad reaction following receiving the H1N1 immunization several years back at work that landed me in the ER I stopped with the agreement of my PCP getting annual flu shots. I had no issue getting the covid immunization when it became available to me despite having some risk having had a reaction to the H1N1, but before I went forward and took it like I do with any medication I am prescribed or consider taking OTC I did a good deal of research from many sources on contraindications especially since I have multiple drug allergies. In discovering through my own research the potential for the development for blood clots was a contraindication with the covid immunizations this was a major concern for me. In 2017 I developed what my neuro ophthalmologist believes was a micro vascular blood clot that occluded the blood flow to my optic nerve which left me permanently 95+% blind in my left eye. In having the discussion with my neuro ophthalmologist along with my PCP and several former physician colleagues that I highly respect, they all agreed anything that could potentiate the development of another blood clot that could render me totally blind I should refrain from. Opting out was not an easy decision for me to make but it was ultimately my own because none of the physicians I consulted with has a crystal ball that would tell me a definitive outcome of opting in or out would be for me. And I chose to opt out because life is difficult enough with the vision loss I have, and if I can reduce the risks that could render me totally blind I am going to do that. And in making the decision to opt out I also decided to retire to reduce my risk for contracting covid by getting me out of the high exposure environment I worked in and these days I live my life very cautiously. The decision you made to get the covid immunization/s hopefully will continue to deliver you the protection that you believe it has and will continue to have. But there are those of us where making the decision to opt in or out was much harder to make as we have health issues you don't have that getting the immunization poses an equally high risk for disability and death as contracting the virus does. So opting out for us is as equally valid as opting in was for you. I have never contracted covid but neither has my husband who has received two immunizations which I encouraged him to get because he has COPD. And why this is so remains a mystery to us since both were antibody tested several times and both testing results came back negative meaning neither had an asymptomatic case of covid that resulted in developing some natural immunity. I wish you continued positive outcomes with the decisions you make with regards to your own health, but p!ease understand the decisions you make for you may not produce the same positive outcomes for someone else that has health issues you don't have that need to be factored into their decision making process.

please know: i feel for you. my husband's best friend also went blind in both eyes. it lasted 8 months, then a dr in california was able to help. today he has his eyesight back, but has been instructed to avoid any further boosters. i dont want to start a debate-just sayin'

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Vaccinations are great, mandates not so much.
How can we be confident in our gov. when they have not even been honest with us about the origin of the virus? I find it interesting that taxpayer money went to China for "gain-of-function" study? I get the idea from how quiet they have kept our involvement, that the virus originated in the U.S. of A. I certainly hope that we are not culprits in this pandemic, BUT......the more I read about it, the more I see America's hands involved. It's amazing how fast we developed a vaccine too.
Sorry, I just have a suspicious nature.
I personally do not know anyone that has died from the vaccination or boosters. Then again, the only ones that I personally know that died WITH Covid were in the hospital for something else at the time and passed while being treated for a different issue than Covid. It was determined that they tested positive for Covid. So, the only issues I have heard of from friends and family were from the shots itself. A few sore arms and a few that feel lasting effects from the shots. One having a sore arm months after receiving the shot.
Everyone that I know has had Covid at least once. None of them have died FROM Covid (two WITH Covid). I have seen no difference in the symptoms being different in either group in my family and friends that have had the vaccinations or those that did not get vaccinated. Just saying, not proving anything.
I do believe in vaccinations. I am not anti-vaxx. My concern is whether or not they will ever eradicate this blight.

several countries were involved, & yes, we too. gain of function is a nice way of saying germ warfare, which last i knew was a 'bad' thing, idk. go back in time & research something called 'the Davos Forum' a few years before covid was born. don't listen to me- read & decide for yourself