[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Sounds more like a congenital defect, or a failure over a longer period.
Can't see it as a short term reaction to a Covid vaccination.

Yes, the risk is very low from the vaccine compared to heart disease risk from COVID.

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Sounds more like a congenital defect, or a failure over a longer period.
Can't see it as a short term reaction to a Covid vaccination.

My understanding is that the study of 18 to 36yo individuals that received the covid vaccinations showed that something like 85% were more likely to have heart issues within the first 28 days of getting the second shot. I believe that study was conducted in Florida, although I may be wrong. I do not know if that has anything to do with the statement regarding issues after being infected with Covid.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by chrissy2231

I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

And how bad a case did they get with getting covid 3x? Could be your just lucky?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by chrissy2231

I know someone who had Covid 3 times and all vaccs. Natural immunity is what is necessary to avoid Covid & Flu. I've never had any shot and haven't had the Flu since I was 21. My acting group have all had Covid. I've been with them and do not get it. I use nasal irrigation, and that may be the key.

I’ve heard high colonics work too…

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

A new Covid strain with 80% fatality???? Where on earth did you hear about this?????

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/sc...id-19-strains/

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by New Englander

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

Stop the madness. Read read read my dr says it’s a waste of time and money……stop this crazy madness. Big pharma got you hooked, break free from their clutches.

[Two Bills]

Can't wait for the fourth booster.
We can do this thread again!
Nearly two years, and still running

[Bay Kid]

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

[billethkid]

same merry go round.........same riders.....

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[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

And how bad a case did they get with getting covid 3x? Could be your just lucky?

Same could be said about a vaxed person getting a mild case. Could they just be lucky? I know of many non vaxed individuals (many dealing with the issues that come with a cancer diagnosis) that have had very mild symptoms. I'd be interested in reading peer reviewed studies that show symptoms are reduced in vaxed individuals. The lack of transparency creates suspicion on all sides.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Same could be said about a vaxed person getting a mild case. Could they just be lucky? I know of many non vaxed individuals (many dealing with the issues that come with a cancer diagnosis) that have had very mild symptoms. I'd be interested in reading peer reviewed studies that show symptoms are reduced in vaxed individuals. The lack of transparency creates suspicion on all sides.

Lack of spoon-feeding is not the same as lack of transparency. The data seems to be available even of it isn't pushed to your news feed.

Not a peer-reviewed study, but the ratio of unvaccinated covid patients who die compared to the ratio of vaccinated patients who die should tell you that at least one symptom, death, is reduced in the vaccinated population.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

A lab in Massachusetts has altered the covid virus so that the new strain has an 80% fatality rate. Why anyone would do this, I do not know. It seems risky and it certainly "appears" to be gain of function.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Whitley

A lab in Massachusetts has altered the covid virus so that the new strain has an 80% fatality rate. Why anyone would do this, I do not know. It seems risky and it certainly "appears" to be gain of function.

The whole document.

Social Media Claims Misrepresent Boston U. Study of What Causes Severity of COVID-19 Strains - FactCheck.org

From what I read; the original virus killed 10 out of ten mice, the new strain (omicron) killed 8 out of ten mice. This is where the 80% fatality rate comes from.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Lack of spoon-feeding is not the same as lack of transparency. The data seems to be available even of it isn't pushed to your news feed.

Not a peer-reviewed study, but the ratio of unvaccinated covid patients who die compared to the ratio of vaccinated patients who die should tell you that at least one symptom, death, is reduced in the vaccinated population.

I consider the EU having to go to court to get pfizer to release studies and Agreements something less than transparency. Even then 90%+ of each page was blacked out (see EU press conference below). It was because of these hearings that we ever found out the vaccine was NOT tested to see if it prevented transmission prior to being distributed. I guess we have a different definition of transparency.
FDA having to be ordered by a judge to release documents pertaining to their approval of the vaccine (FDA said it would take 75 years, miraculously accomplishes it in 8 months. See below)
And I would like to see a peer review study as well as any statistics showing stat significance in the results to back up what is claimed. Perhaps we have a different definition of science as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSnQor8zDY&t=615s

FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public - Euro Weekly News

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I consider the EU having to go to court to get pfizer to release studies and Agreements something less than transparency. Even then 90%+ of each page was blacked out (see EU press conference below). It was because of these hearings that we ever found out the vaccine was NOT tested to see if it prevented transmission prior to being distributed. I guess we have a different definition of transparency.
FDA having to be ordered by a judge to release documents pertaining to their approval of the vaccine (FDA said it would take 75 years, miraculously accomplishes it in 8 months. See below)
And I would like to see a peer review study as well as any statistics showing stat significance in the results to back up what is claimed. Perhaps we have a different definition of science as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSnQor8zDY&t=615s

FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public - Euro Weekly News

I’m pretty sure I knew it was not tested to prevent transmission when I read the study results at about the time the vaccines were first released.

Not different definitions, just different expectations and different understanding of reality and of what is possible.

I will continue to view the murky ratios as good enough for me.