[Chi-Town]

What a journey through posts 1-16. Enough said.

[B767drvr]

>>19) No evidence of protection in people over age 65.(26, 27)

A study published in the Cochrane Systematic Review in 2010 stated that there was no scientific evidence to prove that regular or seasonal flu shots protect people over the age of 65. The study concluded: �Evidence for the safety and efficacy of influenza vaccines in the over 65 is poor, despite the fact that vaccination has been recommended for the prevention of influenza in older people for the past 40 years.�

20) The Lancet published a study showing that the flu shot was only 1.2% effective.(28)

A study conducted by The Lancet in 2010 brought out some startling revelations about the effectiveness of flu shots. The study involved a control group of 13,095 adults who were not vaccinated. The group was monitored to see if participants had been infected by the influenza virus, but 97% remained unaffected. Only 2.7% or 357 people in the non-vaccinated group ended up contracting the virus. Of the group of adults who were vaccinated with a trivalent inactivated influenza shot, only 1.2% did not catch the flu. The difference between the two outcomes is that the flu vaccine only prevents the flu in 1.5 out of every 100 adults injected with the flu shot not 60% as you�ve been told.
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20 Reasons Why The Flu Shot Is More Dangerous Than The Flu - Wellness Achiever

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I suppose it all goes back to a person;s tolerance. I developed the Hong Kong flu in 1969 and believed I was on my death bed. so when the flu shot became available I lined up.

However two seasons ago I went with the senior super dose and ended up in the ER. the nurse told me I was not the only one who had a severe reaction. Last year I went back to the regular dose and found discomfort for the remainder of the day. On the other hand my wife continues with the super dose unaffected.

We had ask about re-doing the pneumonia shot and were told it was no longer recommended for people over 65? I just recently read an article wherein it was recommended that people 65+ get their pneumonia shot and followed by a booster. I wish the medical community would get its act together

Found this Rubicon� perhaps this is what you're referring to?


>>11) CDC reports even more adverse events with Fluzone High-Dose.(17)

Sanofi Pasteur�s Fluzone High-Dose is a new influenza vaccine created in 2010 for people over 65 years of age. Even though the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) insists that the vaccine is as safe as any other seasonal vaccine, the fact is that the shot is replete with side effects like pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, headache, muscle aches, fever, and malaise. All the listed negative symptoms were observed during clinical studies for Fluzone High-Dose.
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20 Reasons Why The Flu Shot Is More Dangerous Than The Flu - Wellness Achiever

[DonH57]

I used to have to get one when I was in the service as it was mandatory. I'd get the flu anyway every year, sometimes twice during the winter. I've never gotten a flu shot since and I've never had the flu since.

[B767drvr]

The Flu Shot: Helpful or Harmful

by Mark Hyman, MD



The government says everybody should get the flu shot every year. But does it work? Is it safe? And do we really need it?

One very reliable way to determine the effectiveness of the flu shot is to look at the database analysis presented by The Cochrane Collaboration, an independent group of scientists who have no link to any industry or government agencies. After analyzing all of the data on the flu shot, they have concluded that it really doesn’t work well. It doesn’t even cover most of the influenza infections that people get.

For certain populations, I do think a flu shot is necessary. For people who are debilitated, people with respiratory or developmental problems, and for people who are prone to getting very sick and could die from the flu, I think it’s worth getting the shot. It may not work that well, but it provide some benefit to those populations.

But for anyone else, I don’t think the flu shot is necessary. I know this goes against government recommendations, and I know there’s a lot of controversy about it. But I encourage you to do your own homework. Read the blog that I wrote that extensively documents the science behind why the flu shots don’t work as well as we think they do, and why they might be harmful.

Here’s one dirty little secret about the flu shot: it contains mercury. Most of the flu shots that are administered in the US are from multi-dose vials, which contain multiple flu shots in one little vial. To preserve it, they add mercury or Thimerosal. A cumulative dose of Thimerosal over your lifetime could have a negative impact on your health, because mercury is a known toxin. It causes immune problems and neurologic problems like dementia, memory issues, and other issues. So, if you’re going to get the flu shot, make sure it comes from a single-dose vial, which doesn’t have Thimerosal in it.

Remember:

The flu shot doesn’t work well, and there are many other things you can do to stay healthy.
It may contain mercury, so if you do get the shot, be sure avoid the kind that comes in a multi-dose vial with Thimerosal added.

The Flu Shot: Helpful or Harmful - Dr. Mark Hyman

[B767drvr]

There sure are a LOT of articles by medical doctors against the flu vaccine. Here's another excerpt:

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Flu Vaccine – Think Again

Dr. R. Neustaedter

The flu vaccine gets the most-useless-vaccine-of-all-time award. Now the CDC is recommending the vaccine for children under two years old and all adults over 50. Don’t fall for it. The following article is from Dr. Randal Neustaedter’s new edition of The Vaccine Guide, North Atlantic Books 800-337-2665

Everyone knows about the flu and the flu vaccine. What people do not know is that flu vaccines are nearly useless in preventing flu, they will cause the flu, and they often result in nervous system damage that can take years for the body to repair. Other nations chuckle at Americans’ infatuation with the flu vaccine. The joke would indeed be funny, if it weren’t for the damaging effects caused by the vaccine

The history of the flu vaccine reads like one stumbling fiasco after another. Take an example. Ever wonder how the particular viruses are chosen for next year’s vaccine? The answer could be drawn from a 1930s film noir of Shanghai villainy. Scientists kill migrating ducks in Asia, culture the viruses and put those in next year’s vaccine, because they have seen an association between bird and pig viruses and the following year’s human flu epidemics. Perhaps this desperate guesswork is responsible for so many years when the flu vaccines viruses had nothing in common with circulating viruses. According to a CDC report of the 1994–1995 flu season, 87 percent of type A influenza virus samples were not similar to the year’s vaccine, and 76 percent of type B virus were not similar to the virus in that year’s vaccine. During the 1992–1993 season, 84 percent of samples for the predominant type A virus were not similar to the virus in the vaccine.
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Flu Vaccine - Think Again - Influenza Vaccine (Flu Shot) - Specific Vaccines - About Vaccines - Vaccination Risk Awareness Network

[outahere]

Originally Posted by DonH57

I used to have to get one when I was in the service as it was mandatory. I'd get the flu anyway every year, sometimes twice during the winter. I've never gotten a flu shot since and I've never had the flu since.

Similar situation - the last time I got a flu shot I was in the Air Force (late 1970's) and that year I got the flu and was so sick I thought I was going to have to get better to die!

Haven't had the shot since and have no intentions of getting one. It's a personal choice for everyone.

[Bubble Gum]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Joseph Mercola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for your post, referencing that site, Gracie.

You confirmed what I already thought, but you went the extra step.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Joseph Mercola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mercola did not author the article I referenced.

>>Dr. Donald Miller, a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington, recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D instead. According to Dr. Miller, �Seventy percent of doctors do not get a flu shot.�
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[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Mercola did not author the article I referenced.

>>Dr. Donald Miller, a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington, recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D instead. According to Dr. Miller, “Seventy percent of doctors do not get a flu shot.”
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My daughter works for a very large medical group which operates six hospitals. All employees are required to get flu and other shots, physicians included. Since my daughter is allergic to some protein component in the vaccine she goes to an allergy doctor who administers the vaccine to her using several very small shots spaced apart a half hour.

I had the Hong Kong flu. For a time while I had it I could not move my legs. The experience was terrifying. I now get a flu shot every year.

Back in my thirties I was hospitalized with pneumonia over a week and put on five intravenous antibiotics. I do not want to go through that again so I have had pneumonia shots. As previously stated an ounce of prevention...

[Villages PL]

A few years ago I called a government health agency and was told that the mercury in a flu shot is a very small amount, about the same as you would get from eating one small can of tuna per week.

Also, there's more than one type of mercury. The mercury in a flu shot is not the type you would find in a mercury thermometer etc.. The small amount of mercury in a flu shot will be quickly disposed of by natural means that your body employs for disposal of toxins.

I'm not for or against anyone getting a flu shot. I'm just passing along some information about the mercury aspect of it.

I happen to be in very good health so I might decide not to get one this year. I believe I have a strong immune system because I never get colds.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I had the flu once, in the spring of 1995. To this day I still remember how deathly ill I was and how long it took to fully recover. It took over a month.

I'll take my chances with the flu shot.

I also had it once....I remember being so sick I almost couldn't get out of bed to get to phone to call in sick (no cordless phones then). I, too, will never miss a flu shot.

[plugers]

FYI Most doctors and nurses never get the flu shot..It is totally unnecessary..
Eat well, get plenty of sleep and the best advice is to practice good hand washing and stay out of crowds�

[plugers]

FYI Most doctors and nurses never get the flu shot..It is totally unnecessary..
Eat well, get plenty of sleep and the best advice is to practice good hand washing and stay out of crowds�

[billethkid]

methinks the usual problem of a minority issue or count is once again being discussed as a general condition when it is not.

Yes there are SOME who maybe should not or don't want to....so be it.

The other 90%+ of us who have been getting flu shots for too long to remember will continue to do so.

As for the comment "the government wants you to get a flu shot" in my humble opinion does not have a to do with getting one (or not)!