[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Since the fact that anabiotic's and steroids will kill me. I am thinking that my hatred of big pharm has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people cannot take drugs ...we deal with it when we sometimes end up in ICU. And sometimes we die. But you will find those who cannot take pharmaceuticals have a tendency to have a different look on life. We have no choice, or as my kids say if you want to get rid of me quick float an antibiotic in my coffee. Anaphylactic shock is a quick way to go

You really against prescription drugs? Even those that you are not allergic to?

[2BNTV]

B767drvr and VPL must be related.

I got my flu shot last week, and will continue to get the flu shot every year.

My experience has been that it may not prevent you from getting the flu, it will reduce the symptoms that will enable you, to function. No one wants to make love to the porcelain goddess.

For those allergic to the shot, getting it is not a good idea but I still believe one should get a pneumonia and shingles vaccination. Shingles is a painful condition that one family member suffered with, causing a tremendous mount of pain. The pneumonia vaccination will not stop you from getting pneumonia, but it will keep you from dying. Source is my old PCP.

"You can say, I won't get the flu shot or I will". Either way your right.

[Suzi]

If everyone got the flu shot, then the people who were allergic and could not be immunized would very unlikely to get the flu.......who would they get it from? Same with the childhood immunizations. If all children were immunized, who would they catch measles from?

Just a thought.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by Suzi

If everyone got the flu shot, then the people who were allergic and could not be immunized would very unlikely to get the flu.......who would they get it from?


Just a thought.

They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.

The immunization does work for most people. There are tests that can be performed to check the body's response. Titer.
I am sure that those are done in controlled studies before the vaccine is released.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003333.htm

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.

They would NOT get the flu from the majority of people who did get the flu shot, because the majority of those folks will not get the flu!

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The immunization does work for most people. There are tests that can be performed to check the body's response. Titer.
I am sure that those are done in controlled studies before the vaccine is released.

Antibody titer: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

If some take the time to research the efficacy of the flu shot, I think you will achieve total consciousness:

>>A new government report on the effectiveness of this year's flu vaccine finds dramatic discrepancies in the amount of protection Americans received, with senior citizens being left the most vulnerable.

The 2012-2013 influenza vaccine contained two influenza A strains and one influenza B strain. The A strains included an H1N1 (swine flu) strain similar to the one that caused a 2009 pandemic and a new H3N2 strain, that officials later discovered to be behind much of the serious illness reported this year. The vaccine also contained a 2010 influenza B strain.

The new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the vaccine offered 58 percent protection against the most common and dangerous H3N2 strain for children ages 6 months to 17 years old, 46 percent protection for adults ages 18 to 49, and 50 percent protection for adults 60 to 64 years of age.

However, for seniors 65 and older, this year's flu shot was found to be only 9 percent effective against the more virulent H3N2 strain, the report showed.

Overall, the flu vaccine was found to be 56 percent effective at reducing the need for medical visits caused by the illness. That's around the initial 62 percent effectiveness figure the CDC reported in January based on early test results collected from 1,155 children and adults who went to doctors with respiratory infections.

In recent years, the vaccine has been about 60 to 70 percent effective at preventing flu.

For adults 65 and older, the vaccine was found to be 27 percent effective against the three strains, according to the new report -- the lowest in about a decade, but not far below from what's expected.

But the vaccine did a particularly poor job of protecting older people against the harshest flu strain, and CDC officials say it's not clear why.
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CDC: Flu vaccine only provided 9 percent protection for seniors against worst strain - CBS News

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by CFrance

They would NOT get the flu from the majority of people who did get the flu shot, because the majority of those folks will not get the flu!

The data do not support your assertion.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

If some take the time to research the efficacy of the flu shot, I think you will achieve total consciousness:

>>A new government report on the effectiveness of this year's flu vaccine finds dramatic discrepancies in the amount of protection Americans received, with senior citizens being left the most vulnerable.

The 2012-2013 influenza vaccine contained two influenza A strains and one influenza B strain. The A strains included an H1N1 (swine flu) strain similar to the one that caused a 2009 pandemic and a new H3N2 strain, that officials later discovered to be behind much of the serious illness reported this year. The vaccine also contained a 2010 influenza B strain.

The new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the vaccine offered 58 percent protection against the most common and dangerous H3N2 strain for children ages 6 months to 17 years old, 46 percent protection for adults ages 18 to 49, and 50 percent protection for adults 60 to 64 years of age.

However, for seniors 65 and older, this year's flu shot was found to be only 9 percent effective against the more virulent H3N2 strain, the report showed.

Overall, the flu vaccine was found to be 56 percent effective at reducing the need for medical visits caused by the illness. That's around the initial 62 percent effectiveness figure the CDC reported in January based on early test results collected from 1,155 children and adults who went to doctors with respiratory infections.

In recent years, the vaccine has been about 60 to 70 percent effective at preventing flu.

For adults 65 and older, the vaccine was found to be 27 percent effective against the three strains, according to the new report -- the lowest in about a decade, but not far below from what's expected.

But the vaccine did a particularly poor job of protecting older people against the harshest flu strain, and CDC officials say it's not clear why.
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CDC: Flu vaccine only provided 9 percent protection for seniors against worst strain - CBS News

The above link is referencing last years flu shot. The above report was in February of this year at the height of the flu season.

We three will get our flu shots this year and hope for a better result.

I am confident that it does help.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

The data do not support your assertion.

Sorry, but you are only reading one-sided data.

Trying reading something outside of your very limited box!

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You really against prescription drugs? Even those that you are not allergic to?

Yep I am a Des baby . The drug that was given to women in the 50s (my mom took it) while pregnant. Many of those babies ended up with cancer. At 17 I had cervical cancer, followed by 7 others cancers, and 8 miscarriages. And then our two surviving children have issues also from the drug. I do not use any over the counter or prescription drugs. Just not giving them another chance. However there are few drugs I can take so it matters not.

[justjim]

We got the flu shot today and pneumonia shot too. Wife got pneumonia 7 years ago and it was "nip and tuck". The vast vast majority of doctors advise the majority of people to get these shots. Seems right to me.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Yep I am a Des baby . The drug that was given to women in the 50s (my mom took it) while pregnant. Many of those babies ended up with cancer. At 17 I had cervical cancer, followed by 7 others cancers, and 8 miscarriages. And then our two surviving children have issues also from the drug. I do not use any over the counter or prescription drugs. Just not giving them another chance. However there are few drugs I can take so it matters not.

I am familiar with that tragedy. It was given to women who were bleeding early in a pregnancy to help them from not miscarrying.

Sometimes drugs have awful side effects. But thank God you are here and you wouldn't have been without that awful drug. And before it was discovered that it caused the girl babies to have a high risk for cervical cancer it was given to many women.

I still say that prescription drugs overall save many more lives than they destroy.

Thank you for telling us this, Asian three.