[rubicon]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Your house in NY... everything is traceable. Taxes, history of valuation over the years. Comparable sale prices in your neighborhood. You must report at listing anything you know is wrong with the house, unless NY is different from the rest of the US. Otherwise you can be sued for non disclosure. Different situation from VHS.

We were told there would be a buildout in two years back in 2011. Ha ha. The Doctor Welby promotion was a marketing tool they never knew if they could uphold. I'm glad we didn't buy into it. We have the most wonderful doctor outside of the villages who saved my husband's life by recognizing a rare disease. And now that we have such trust in him, I am happy to know nothing can keep us away from his care.

Your right "if you buy here you can keep our healthcare system" Imply in any language if not kept means bait and switch. The marketing people are good at what they do...They are so good, they could sell two milking machines to a farmer that owns one cow.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

I, for one, do not see why someone who is obviously not affected by this Medicare Advantage fiasco (for lack of a better word) is commenting at all! It's perfectly sane that those of us that are affected can express and share our disappointment! No, we did not receive "in writing" a promise that we would always be covered by VHS but it was pretty strongly IMPLIED since they had built and we're building beautiful and permanent offices and hiring many staff members! I do not blame the developer at all and I do understand that it comes down to making payroll BUT BUT BUT I do resent the manner with which it was presented with absolutely NO mention or "we're sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you"! It's not as if it weren't IMPLIED (I believe someone loves this word) that we would enjoy the Marcus Welby concept. After all, how many times did we hear it? Again, if it doesn't affect you, just BUTT OUT! Skip the thread! Move on!

And I believe everyone has the right to express an opinion about everything, whether they're directly involved or not. And actually, I could have been directly affected had we gone with the Marcus Welby marketing campaign and signed up with them at the beginning. And in the end it's indicative of how things are run in TV, and I have opinions on that. Finally, I believe I have every right to voice opinions on anything here, as this is a forum for people to exchange ideas.

I have an opinion on abortion rights, too, even though I no longer could get pregnant...

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, let me re-phrase. I'll IMPLY that there will be a new shopping mall built and IMPLY that there are plans for 6 new championship golf courses and IMPLY a new stadium seating Cinebistro is being built. Now it's the same. Of course, I won't put any of that in writing.....

And those actions by you would be considered dishonest/unethical by an honest person...which makes me wonder about someone that actually thinks those actions are perfectly acceptable.

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by CFrance

And I believe everyone has the right to express an opinion about everything, whether they're directly involved or not. And actually, I could have been directly affected had we gone with the Marcus Welby marketing campaign and signed up with them at the beginning. And in the end it's indicative of how things are run in TV, and I have opinions on that. Finally, I believe I have every right to voice opinions on anything here, as this is a forum for people to exchange ideas.

I have an opinion on abortion rights, too, even though I no longer could get pregnant...

You've made my point! We have every right to express our opinions. Why should we be accused of whining?

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by CFrance

And I believe everyone has the right to express an opinion about everything, whether they're directly involved or not. And actually, I could have been directly affected had we gone with the Marcus Welby marketing campaign and signed up with them at the beginning. And in the end it's indicative of how things are run in TV, and I have opinions on that. Finally, I believe I have every right to voice opinions on anything here, as this is a forum for people to exchange ideas.

I have an opinion on abortion rights, too, even though I no longer could get pregnant...

Great post! I agree that people have a right to express their opinion without fear. That is what makes the United States such a great country. On another note I realized recently that three years ago I not only joined the Villages Healthcare system, but I also joined the Villages Citizens Bank. Since they don't accept my insurance anymore I am not going to stay with their bank anymore. I am moving my accounts to Chase. Freedom!

[Villager Joyce]

Originally Posted by outlaw

And those actions by you would be considered dishonest/unethical by an honest person...which makes me wonder about someone that actually thinks those actions are perfectly acceptable.

I couldn't pick GE out of a line-up of two, but I have always thought and continue to think of him as an honorable man.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

I couldn't pick GE out of a line-up of two, but I have always thought and continue to think of him as an honorable man.

And sometimes you think you know someone....I sure wouldn't buy a used car from someone who thinks what TVH is doing is acceptable behavior.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Buffalo Jim: In all due respect and for the simple reason of offering an alternative view ,in that same vein then I ask what or why would a resident feel the need to defend the Developer, The Villages or anything remotely related to the aforementioned? I long ago gave up the idea that people think, feel and emote the same. In this case this employee may be responding out of some sense of loyalty to her employer while perhaps other employees in her /his office may agree with posters who are angry. Also patients, customers etc do not always experience the same thing. A business may be performing at their peak one day and for a variety of reasons fail the next. Customers can only judge by their experience. I believe the same principle applies to residents here

To thine own self be true

Excellent points and observations.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

I couldn't pick GE out of a line-up of two, but I have always thought and continue to think of him as an honorable man.

I agree. VERY much agree. And I think that there are a couple or three who always stir things up. I wouldn't recognize any of them. But I would hug the eagle and frown at the smart alecks but we may never know what their real names are. Golfing Eagles has introduced himself in a PM. My husband says anonymous people can say anything.

This kind of statement from me is usually followed by a barrage of comments about how dangerous it is to disclose your identity on the internet. I say the nasty ones never come to the Crispers meetings.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

And I believe everyone has the right to express an opinion about everything, whether they're directly involved or not. And actually, I could have been directly affected had we gone with the Marcus Welby marketing campaign and signed up with them at the beginning. And in the end it's indicative of how things are run in TV, and I have opinions on that. Finally, I believe I have every right to voice opinions on anything here, as this is a forum for people to exchange ideas.

I have an opinion on abortion rights, too, even though I no longer could get pregnant...

I would have loved to be part of Villages health. It is very hard to find a PCP here in TV who you can understand, has sterling credentials, (remember the doc that was arrested for drunk driving and had loose pills in her car?) is board certified or isn't an alternative medicine quack.

As for defending The Villages., I think it is a great, well run and making it's owners very rich. AND that ****es a lot of people off. They are jealous, but the owners risked their OWN money for expansion. They could have chosen to stop at any time but they are employing people who have families.....for one.

Rubicon says that you shouldn't have positive feelings for a corporation...I can have any kind of feelings I want. I am old enough to recognize when something is well run and the owners are still working. Some call that greed, others call it success. I like it. I say Yay Villages. Good for you.

I think The Villages are run far better than the country is.

It looks like affordable health care is an impossible dream and it looks like The Villages tried and failed to provide it. They failed. They aren't God and they aren't your mom.

[Villager Joyce]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think The Villages are run far better than the country is.

You set your standards pretty low there my friend.

[biker1]

How do you define "failed"? They have apparently decided that an MA plan for those on Medicare will be better than the status quo but I hardly call that failing. Failing is when they close up shop because they don't have enough patients. That may happen but I wouldn't bet on it. Individuals must personally decide whether they are getting quality care.

I am not on Medicare and they take our insurance so nothing has changed for us. I am satisfied with my PCP although I have gone "off the reservation" when I lost faith in the specialists at The Villages Health. Having a plan that would not allow me to go "off the reservation" would probably decrease my satisfaction and I understand why many people are troubled by the move to MA. For the time being, we are fine with The Villages Health for the routine stuff.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It looks like affordable health care is an impossible dream and it looks like The Villages tried and failed to provide it. They failed. They aren't God and they aren't your mom.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Wow! I've read some pros, some neutrality and a lot of cons on this insurance change; people, if the developers are doing this for The Villages, they were here long before you, with their decisions and they will be here long after you, with their decisions. You either stay status quo and find a new physician or change your insurance and stay with your physician; time to move on and get over it. Full disclosure, we have Federal Government BC/BS and can stay where we are but my mother-in-law will have to make changes; it is what it is, my wife is having to make the changes for her, but life goes on.

[maureenod]

Sounds like a lot of houses will be going on the market. And, many new builds will not be sold.

[judynlee]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, I think her "rant" was an excellent factual counterbalance to the primarily emotional response that has been dominating the threads on this subject. As rants go, I'll give it a 9.8/10

Yes, she said it all-really, in a nutshell. We are so spoiled!!