[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I think we can finally put this academic and semantic debate to rest. The CDC just announced that only 0.008% of vaccinated individuals became infected with COVID.

So, to repeat my earlier statements, these people cannot acquire and spread COVID. No need to even shout it anymore.

Final score: Medical professionals 1, amateurs with google, 0

And, of those .008%, I'll wager they were nearly all, if not all, in the 5% group that did not get immunity from the vaccine. So, 'fully vaccinated' only means you got the vaccine, not that it actually was effective on you.

Good posts, BTW. Glad to see clarity. Too many people are like mushrooms.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

And, of those .008%, I'll wager they were nearly all, if not all, in the 5% group that did not get immunity from the vaccine. So, 'fully vaccinated' only means you got the vaccine, not that it actually was effective on you.

Good posts, BTW. Glad to see clarity. Too many people are like mushrooms.

That is why the test for the virus and require vaccinations.

[cj1040]

This is one if the very few comments that make sense and that we totally agree with. Also remember that there are new strains of virus that might be more deadly and perhaps resistant to the vaccines we have had. Caution is still needed.

[Two Bills]

100+ Forged Covid test certificates are being found by Customs Border Control at UK airports per day.
One of the big givaways on many of the forged certificates was, the forger had spelt Negative wrong!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by cj1040

This is one if the very few comments that make sense and that we totally agree with. Also remember that there are new strains of virus that might be more deadly and perhaps resistant to the vaccines we have had. Caution is still needed.

There will always be new strains.

Just be careful and live life.

[DaveZ]

Reading this debate and others about Covid, masks, cruises, etc. is like watching a computer playTic Tac Toe and losing repeatedly against itself. War games; the only way to win is not to play. The only difference is that computers aren’t fallible in the game because the rules are simple so there is no chance of doing something stupid; not so much with Covid debates.

We have vaccines that if aren’t the most effective ever created, they stand alone as the best ever. 95% doesn’t mean 5% chance of catching disease, it’s less than .6% after vaccinated immunity.

It’s pointless to argue about passing a disease to someone else that you can’t catch yourself. We have no useful example of that. It’s also pointless to say that masks will be needed to protect the unvaccinated because there will always be unvaccinated people and thus masks in perpetuity.

The likely outcome of the cruise debate (and judgements) will be the same as the one about the squares, outdoor speeches, and spring breaks that ended up cats (Tic Tac Toe lingo) this week. When we relearned that a virus without a body like Covid doesn’t travel well outdoors and dire predictions of widespread death didn’t happen.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First thing you got right

Pretty humorous, but no, you still haven't supplied a single source for your original rant that claimed:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!

And I'm fairly sure you didn't bother to either read the articles I posted links to or do your own version of the search that I did.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I would stop right there, but you still don't understand. You have cherry picked quotes that are referring to the vaccinated population as a whole----so yes, there are vaccinated people who can acquire and transmit the virus---a small percentage of them. And yes, you are correct in pointing out efficacy and immunity are 2 different things, because that was the study design for these vaccines. Since a positive antibody test after vaccination is NOT a good measure of immunity, I can't think of a better study metric than symptomatic disease.

Oh, I understand. (And, hey, you finally got something right, yourself (see above in red)) There was no cherry picking involved, at least from my end: I provided the first 5 hits from the search I stated. When I first responded to the 'definitive statement' from Tmarkwald that said -

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

A vaccinated person is NOT going to infect someone else.

- I read through the first dozen or so, all of which concluded that nobody seems to knows for sure.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

HOWEVER, the overwhelming majority of those vaccinated will acquire immunity and be unable to spread the disease----that is the whole point of a massive vaccination program, once you stop parsing words.

Ooops, the 'overwhelming majority' seems just a little bit less positive than all that "Period. PERIOD!!!!!" nonsense above. I'm not the one parsing words either: my original question was whether there was any backup to the opinion that Tmarkwald stated. There has been none, merely stridently expressed opinion by yourself, condescension & backtracking about what was supposedly implied when you stated positively that "If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!." And I don't care about the 5% figure that you insist means having no immunity. This is flat out false, I have pointed out already.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Bottom line, the previous statement by T was DEFINITIVE

Actual bottom line: still a nope.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Pretty humorous, but no, you still haven't supplied a single source for your original rant that claimed: And I'm fairly sure you didn't bother to either read the articles I posted links to or do your own version of the search that I did.



Oh, I understand. (And, hey, you finally got something right, yourself (see above in red)) There was no cherry picking involved, at least from my end: I provided the first 5 hits from the search I stated. When I first responded to the 'definitive statement' from Tmarkwald that said - - I read through the first dozen or so, all of which concluded that nobody seems to knows for sure.


Ooops, the 'overwhelming majority' seems just a little bit less positive than all that "Period. PERIOD!!!!!" nonsense above. I'm not the one parsing words either: my original question was whether there was any backup to the opinion that Tmarkwald stated. There has been none, merely stridently expressed opinion by yourself, condescension & backtracking about what was supposedly implied when you stated positively that "If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!." And I don't care about the 5% figure that you insist means having no immunity. This is flat out false, I have pointed out already.

Actual bottom line: still a nope.

I feel like I've joined a debating club!

HOWEVER - this seems pretty intersting:

If you get the vaccine but later test positive for COVID-19, that is proof that you did not mount a response to the vaccine.

If the coronavirus vaccine is 95% effective, how will you know if you’re in the other 5%? - cleveland.com

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Pretty humorous, but no, you still haven't supplied a single source for your original rant that claimed: And I'm fairly sure you didn't bother to either read the articles I posted links to or do your own version of the search that I did.



Oh, I understand. (And, hey, you finally got something right, yourself (see above in red)) There was no cherry picking involved, at least from my end: I provided the first 5 hits from the search I stated. When I first responded to the 'definitive statement' from Tmarkwald that said - - I read through the first dozen or so, all of which concluded that nobody seems to knows for sure.


Ooops, the 'overwhelming majority' seems just a little bit less positive than all that "Period. PERIOD!!!!!" nonsense above. I'm not the one parsing words either: my original question was whether there was any backup to the opinion that Tmarkwald stated. There has been none, merely stridently expressed opinion by yourself, condescension & backtracking about what was supposedly implied when you stated positively that "If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!." And I don't care about the 5% figure that you insist means having no immunity. This is flat out false, I have pointed out already.

Actual bottom line: still a nope.

Amazing. I guess you haven't kept up with current events, including my last post. For those that remain hard of hearing, I'll repeat it. THE CDC ANNOUNCED THAT ONLY 0.008% OF THOSE VACCINATED BECAME INFECTED WITH COVID

The debate is OVER. You and the other members of your mutual admiration society LOST, not that you ever had a chance to begin with, it was more like taking candy from a baby.

PS: I hope you guys know I was just toying around with you.

[peachpit]

Amen and Amen, Could someone tell the CDC this so we can cruise again. I've been on land for 14 months. Enough already.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by peachpit

Amen and Amen, Could someone tell the CDC this so we can cruise again. I've been on land for 14 months. Enough already.

The 0.008% statement came from the CDC

[peachpit]

Where's this so called CDC located. I need to camp out on their front porch until they let me cruise again.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by peachpit

Where's this so called CDC located. I need to camp out on their front porch until they let me cruise again.

1600 Clifton Rd, Atlanta, GA.

It's essentially on the campus of Emory University, and quite an impressive facility

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Amazing. I guess you haven't kept up with current events, including my last post. For those that remain hard of hearing, I'll repeat it. THE CDC ANNOUNCED THAT ONLY 0.008% OF THOSE VACCINATED BECAME INFECTED WITH COVID

The debate is OVER. You and the other members of your mutual admiration society LOST, not that you ever had a chance to begin with, it was more like taking candy from a baby.

PS: I hope you guys know I was just toying around with you.

Maybe what's actually amazing is that you somehow looked 2 days into the future & found this information back on 4/14, when you originally launched your diatribe regarding my question to another user. And, again , your unfounded opinion that "If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!" was never more than that. Kind of like the invalid assertion that getting the full vaccine regimen somehow guaranteed total, absolute, perfect, 100% immunity to the lucky 95% of recipients. (A college education is a terrible thing to waste... ) There's actually a lot of good information available on the internet if you know how to search for it.

My guess is that you may well be experienced with taking candy from kids, but you proved nothing here. Actual score: Mutual Admiration Society - 1, Deluded 'expert' - 0. If, I repeat if, the latest numbers regarding infections of the fully vaccinated had been available & presented 2 or 3 days ago (as opposed to the string of "PLEEEEZEE!!!!! ... Period. PERIOD!" junk), I'd have said, "OK, close enough to zero for me. Carry on."

Joking? Oh, heck yeah. Me too...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Maybe what's actually amazing is that you somehow looked 2 days into the future & found this information back on 4/14, when you originally launched your diatribe regarding my question to another user. And, again , your unfounded opinion that "If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!!" was never more than that. Kind of like the invalid assertion that getting the full vaccine regimen somehow guaranteed total, absolute, perfect, 100% immunity to the lucky 95% of recipients. (A college education is a terrible thing to waste... ) There's actually a lot of good information available on the internet if you know how to search for it.

My guess is that you may well be experienced with taking candy from kids, but you proved nothing here. Actual score: Mutual Admiration Society - 1, Deluded 'expert' - 0. If, I repeat if, the latest numbers regarding infections of the fully vaccinated had been available & presented 2 or 3 days ago (as opposed to the string of "PLEEEEZEE!!!!! ... Period. PERIOD!" junk), I'd have said, "OK, close enough to zero for me. Carry on."

Joking? Oh, heck yeah. Me too...

Sorry, but it was pretty obvious from the type of vaccine, it's mechanism of action and the nature of coronaviruses in general that the outcome would be what it was. The only thing that surprised me was HOW EFFECTIVE the vaccine was in the real world.

As far as your posts, of course you're joking. If you were serious you'd be suffering from advanced dementia