[Donna]

I think if people are willing to compromise, this problem could have a happy ending for all.....There are some people that will never be happy, no matter what the end result is!!

I think 10:00 is a fair time to stop the music...If some peeps are looking to roll the streets in at 8, maybe TV is NOT the place for them...

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Mel, you may claim to have read these posts, but I suggest you go back and read them again because you clearly have not comprehended them. I do not live near any country club. I also said that 8 PM is too early to stop the music. I also acknowledged (in the actual post that you quoted!!!) that if the numerous complaints were from one person it may be written off as a crank.

NJ Blue thanks for agreeing with us who want the music to continue. We need an old fashioned demonstration for the sheriff, Morse Family and County Commissioners to show our displeasure with the "Curfew". I hope we can count on you to carry a sign.

[NJblue]

I hope we can count on you to carry a sign.

Sorry Mel, but you're more likely to see me on the other side of the street with the counter-protestors. I will send a beer over your way though.

[Freeda]

Originally Posted by chelsea24

OK, let's not start nitpicking each other and parsing words! The point is does ANYONE have a plan of action??? What do we do next??? I'm on board.

Anyone??? Anyone???

Perhaps a few interested people should form a pro hac 'committee' to check into this. Kathie, you are I think one of the logical choices to head this up - any other takers?

I would help if needed. We are not out late at nights more than a couple of times a week, but believe in the right of myself, and others, to have this option.

I think that one of the first things would be to collect the objective facts, by asking the business owners exactly what they have been told, when, and by whom; in regards to the complaints. And then, talk to those people; ie, those responding to the 'complaints' and find out the facts of what the complaints actually amount to, what they are basing their actions on, who they report to, etc.

And also, find out from each business owner what their interest is in staying open - ie, how late would they like to have outdoor/ indoor music, and on what nights, even if they could?

Then, with this information, and plus hopefully a consensus of many opinions from TOTV - including people who don't live here yet but who are considering moving to TV - as added data, talk to the authorities and see if a resolution can be reached; and if not, find out the appropriate governing bodies and show up at their public meetings to present the information gathered and to offer solutions. The meeting next week mentioned last night, unfortunately will find many of us out of town for T/G with family.

It's either this, or accept the status quo.

.... and, anyone own a decibel meter and measuring tape, who could be 'on call' for emergencies?

[Whalen]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Whalen, with all due respect, you DID say that there were numerous complaints:

Sorry, I stand corrected.
I'm not sleeping well due to all the noise coming from Havana.
Just kidding.

[sschuler1]

Freeda, it's great to have a level headed lawyer step up and help us like you are willing to do. Kath, you seem the logical choice to head up the committee, but you can count me in for back up help. With my business background I'm good at making presentations and can wow them with my prowess at graphs and pie charts!

[skip0358]

I hope anyone who has read these posts and hasn't bought uses extra caution when buying. I also up that in the future Country Clubs are built in more remote areas, so as not to bother anyone with their noise. I agree people are retireing earlier and moving here at a younger age. I for one am not OLD, I enjoy going to Dueling Pianos at MR, I enjoy Kareoke at Gators, I enjoy the 2AM at Gators Dockside, The music in the Square. I don't sleep late in the AM either. I as many otherrs bought here for what TV had to offer. As just posted now the sherriff was shutting down at 7:45 next will be 5PM. Yes frequent the town squares that's fine but after 9PM some like to go out elsewhere.Whatever needs to be done I will support it.Does anyone have the email for Mr Morse??

[Bob S]

Hey, we are only moving to TV in January! Please don't stop the party before we get there. I agree that 10:00 PM on weekdays and 12:00 PM on Friday and Saturday would be a much more logical time to end outdoor music at the CC.

Freeda, your posts on this subject seem to be the most well thought out and kept reasonable and objective. Please accept my vote to lead the effort on a response.

[Kelsie52]

---We will be coming down for a second visit the day after Thanksgiving --hoping to find the perfect spot---
Looks like I might get a great buy near a Country Club ---

[carm310]

I will do what I can from afar! We will be down next week - 21st through the 28th, if you have something to sign we will sign it. We loved going to Havana in the evening this past summer for the music. In fact we enjoyed it more than the town squares. The talent around TV is amazing. Just say the word and we will do what we can. : )

[Spectreron]

I'm looking for a home in TV. I'll take one of those "noisy" near CC homes off your hands, at a big discount, of course...You know, because of all that noise at 9:00 pm. I just don't want one near NJBlue.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Bob S

I agree that 10:00 PM on weekdays and 12:00 PM on Friday and Saturday would be a much more logical time to end outdoor music at the CC.

I wonder how you would feel about it if you had bought property close ( a few hundred feet) to a CC knowing that none of the CCs have ever played outdoor music that late at night and now they suddenly start. My guess is that if the shoe were on the other foot you would have a different perspective.

This repeated notion of "this is like buying in the country and then complaining about the smell" is not the case here. A more apt analogy is that this is like buying in the country with a diner a few hundred feet down the road. The diner has always closed up at 8:30 or 9:00 and was not known to play outdoor music. Then a new owner comes in and wants to expand his business by staying open later and offering live, outdoor music.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

I'm looking for a home in TV. I'll take one of those "noisy" near CC homes off your hands, at a big discount, of course...You know, because of all that noise at 9:00 pm. I just don't want one near NJBlue.

Ouch, another personal attack. I guess there will be no beer for you, Specteron.

[Hawkwind]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I have already acknowledged that 9 PM may be a reasonable limit. The reason that the restaurants are empty at 9 isn't because they are closing. They are closing because they are empty. I'm sure if a lot of patrons wanted to dine past 9:00 any smart restaurant owner would comply.

There is a difference in dining and entertainment. I for one dines in the 4:00 pm to the 6:00 pm hours and then enjoy entertainment after that. If there is no entertainment at 9:00 pm at a restaurant why would I even go there in the first place.

During the summer months, June, July and August I for one would like to see the entertainment on the squares go from 6:00 pm to 10:00 pm as things start to cool down for the day.

[BogeyBoy]

When I lived in Virginia Trace I often heard the music from LSL, some nights it sounded like they were right next door, other nights I could hardly hear them. The music never bothered me, just a reminder of how lucky we are to live in a place with live entertainment every night. Never thought about music from LSL when looking for a lot.

Now I live near enough to Havana to occasionally hear the music. I was/am glad to hear it and know Havana is attracting customers and more likely to be around for a while. (Have any of the country club restaurants ever shut down?)

It seems the outdoor entertainment has become quite popular recently at various locations. I hope that somewhere out there someone will come up with a solution that will work for all.

Let's see what I can come up with -

Issue noise reducing headsets to all households within 1000'.

Place a sound barrier around Havana.

Issue headsets to all customers at Havana, the band plays inside but the customers listen with headsets outside.

Have a parade/Christmas tree lighting/craft show/car show, etc. every night until 10:00 at LSL. No one will be home to be annoyed because they will attend those events. (Except the ones that want to enjoy the entertainment at Havana.)