[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Opinion, you have you’re and I have mine.

Why we get second opinion’s. My opinion electric vehicles for professionals best thing since sliced bread. All the got to remember is plug it in. O wait the tires still need air when warning light blinks, but where are the valve stems and where do I get air? where does the windshield wiper fluid go…… all highly technical processes. Where the handyman?

Yes, "professionals" are helpless when it comes to fixing anything...

Snob much?

[frose]

when coal and fossil fuels make electricity, the more they make the more pollution they make.. 900 miles at this time is not possible the technology is just not there yet.. electric rates will rival gas prices, it has to, until a way is found to make electric cheap and clean and china is not there yet. they are the one who will lead this and will be stuck with our thumbs up our buts trying to figure out what happened.. also where do you dispose of used up batteries.. great idea, just not ready yet.. this needs time to develop.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by frose

when coal and fossil fuels make electricity, the more they make the more pollution they make.. 900 miles at this time is not possible the technology is just not there yet.. electric rates will rival gas prices, it has to, until a way is found to make electric cheap and clean and china is not there yet. they are the one who will lead this and will be stuck with our thumbs up our buts trying to figure out what happened.. also where do you dispose of used up batteries.. great idea, just not ready yet.. this needs time to develop.

Batteries are not thrown away, don't know where you are hearing that, but they are recycled.

EV cost per mile for electricity is already less expensive that gas for an ICE.

Absolutely agree, coal pollution is very bad and coal is used for about 1/5 of the electricity generated in the US, natural gas - a MUCH cleaner source - is used for most. Coal is being retired as plants are decommissioned and replaced with cleaner plants using gas, wind and solar.

And last, actually China is lagging on EVs. Tesla leads the world right now. But, China's strength is they will launch a massive number of different vehicles testing the markets, figure out the optimum market right now and target it. The will catch up very fast.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Okay, I gotta call you on that one. WHO is calling for ICE cars to be banned in 10 years?

And you are stuck saying what EVs cost today most people can not afford. That is a GOOD thing. There are 300 million ICE vehicles in America alone. Tesla is making 1 million cars per year (this year) and hopes to make 2Million next year, that means we could replace all those in ONLY 150 years.

So, please, no one is suggesting we can replace 300 million cars in 10 years. Even with all the other manufactures jumping on board, most are years from production, and certainly can not phase out ICE cars in less than a decade and that would be an amazingly fast product change over.

So, once again, other than some Youtube video, WHO in power to do so, is suggesting we ban ICE cars in 10 years.

"Biden has set a goal of eliminating pollution from fossil fuel in the power sector by 2035 and from the U.S. economy overall by 2050.."
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"SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he will aggressively move the state further away from its reliance on climate change-causing fossil fuels while retaining and creating jobs and spurring economic growth – he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035 and additional measures to eliminate harmful emissions from the transportation sector."
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Like I said, I have nothing against the EV industry. I am against eliminating or banning ICE vehicles. Until someone can produce transportation that EVERYONE can afford, the world needs fossil fuel. And pricing gasoline so high that the working Joe can't afford it, is not going to make the transition any easier.

I am not overly concerned with air pollution right now, considering we have better air quality now than when I was a kid. It is not a one idea or nothing. It is a combination of many different ideas to solve a problem of this sort. Why is it that some folks believe that there is only one way to solve air pollution?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

"Biden has set a goal of eliminating pollution from fossil fuel in the power sector by 2035 and from the U.S. economy overall by 2050.."
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"SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he will aggressively move the state further away from its reliance on climate change-causing fossil fuels while retaining and creating jobs and spurring economic growth – he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035 and additional measures to eliminate harmful emissions from the transportation sector."

And I don't see where there was any mandate to raise gas prices. Gas prices are raising all over the world. I don't think we did that.
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There's more, but I don't want to bore everyone.


Like I said, I have nothing against the EV industry. I am against eliminating or banning ICE vehicles. Until someone can produce transportation that EVERYONE can afford, the world needs fossil fuel. And pricing gasoline so high that the working Joe can't afford it, is not going to make the transition any easier.

I am not overly concerned with air pollution right now, considering we have better air quality now than when I was a kid. It is not a one idea or nothing. It is a combination of many different ideas to solve a problem of this sort. Why is it that some folks believe that there is only one way to solve air pollution?

First, eliminating pollution from fossil fuel in the power sector has almost nothing to do with EVs, it is elimination of coat, gas, and oil from power plants.

Second, "he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035" does not say you have to buy EVs it says auto manufacturers have to reach net zero emissions by 2035 for all new passenger vehicles, that would not apply to step vans, dump trucks, etc. sales. If they can do it some other way, go for it.

It also doesn't ban the sale of used ICE vehicles. And that is 2% of the states. CA is always leading on progressive issues. And I support states rights.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

First, eliminating pollution from fossil fuel in the power sector has almost nothing to do with EVs, it is elimination of coat, gas, and oil from power plants.

Second, "he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035" does not say you have to buy EVs it says auto manufacturers have to reach net zero emissions by 2035 for all new passenger vehicles, that would not apply to step vans, dump trucks, etc. sales. If they can do it some other way, go for it.

It also doesn't ban the sale of used ICE vehicles. And that is 2% of the states. CA is always leading on progressive issues. And I support states rights.

California is such a great place to live. Wonder why so many people are leaving?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

California is such a great place to live. Wonder why so many people are leaving?

I am sure you know, why not share? I mean last I heard LA was a ghost town.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SGN-Q5KRC8

Claiming 900 miles on charge. Now we’re talking!!! If affordable for masses?

It’s a start making EV vehicles (trucks, buses,cars) coming to Michigan this year already in Israel Great Britain Sweden. Similar to charging your wireless phone.
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[MorTech]

A coal-fired power plant emits millions of times more radiation than a nuclear power plant. I bet nobody here knows that.

What is the energy density / volumetric density of that there sulfur battery? LOL.
I just don't want a 270kw bomb under my seat...but that's just me

Ever experience a li-on battery in thermal runaway?
Now they want to add sulfur to the bomb?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

It’s a start making EV vehicles (trucks, buses,cars) coming to Michigan this year already in Israel Great Britain Sweden. Similar to charging your wireless phone.
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Yes, because Israel, Britain and Sweden are such LARGE countries...
In my opinion, while EVs are great for commuting within small areas, fossil fuel/gasoline and diesel won't be replaced by EVs in my lifetime. Unfortunately, fuel prices and lifestyles will suffer because of someone's grand scheme of forcing an unobtainable transition to batteries in such a short time-span.

Electricity may be the answer, but not with batteries that weigh hundreds of pounds in a car, that will cost thousands of dollars to replace. Appears that some folks are not looking after the little guy, but speak a great tale.

[Bay Kid]

Buy stock in electric provider companies. The price is sure to go up.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I am sure you know, why not share? I mean last I heard LA was a ghost town.

Can we start with very high taxes, ridiculously expensive real estate costs, lots of crime, not such a great place to live these days.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Can we start with very high taxes, ridiculously expensive real estate costs, lots of crime, not such a great place to live these days.

Okay, cost of living is reflected in higher wages, which drive up cost of living, and round and round that goes. I will agree it costs a bunch to live there, not a good place to retire, unless you are rich.

An advantage of living and working in CA is with higher wages for the same job as other places, when you retire you get higher SS payments. My wife, who comes from CA gets about 20% higher payments than I do and we were basically in the same field IT.

It is difficult to reconcile actual cost of living by comparing prices and wages. It would help if someone provided cost of typical items (food, gas, housing, etc) based on number of hours worked to pay for them. My 2 years in CA seem to show that while things cost more, the number of hours worked to pay for, say a loaf of bread, is about the same.

Crime, here is a recent crime survey 2022 - seems CA is about the same as Florida, and neither are near the top. You can draw you own conclusions about where are the highest crimes rates and highest homicide rates are - I already have a brownie point pending.

Highest crime rates:

District of Columbia
New Mexico
Alaska
Louisiana
South Carolina

Here are the 10 states with the highest homicide rates:

Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Illinois (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)

State Rankings Crime Rate byState

[MorTech]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Buy stock in electric provider companies. The price is sure to go up.

The biggest problem...NIMBY.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I think the biggest obstacle will be that most people do not have a garage for charging. There are millions of people who will not have access to a charging station.

It's not just that, but the administration has set a goal to become 100% electric by 2035. The fact that that will not change the over all emission output worldwide aside, how about the millions of people that are driving 25 year old cars that can't afford a new car? Is the plan for the government to buy cars for everyone that can't afford one?

Another issue is not simply access to charging stations but the length of time required to recharge. Are people going to be willing to wait for hours at a recharging station while they are filling up? Filling your car with gas take ten minutes. So far charging times for electrics are hours.