[RCT]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

I read in the Daily Sun today where the Sumter Landing District browbeat the ACC into rescinding their decision to limit the in-county relatives of residents to 30 days a year because if might bring a law suit because a substantial level of service would be taken away from the residents if the new rule was enacted.

When I moved here eight years ago, no one within the tri-county area was allowed guest passes. Some where between that time and the present, these rules were eased and without public knowledge they allowed tri-county residents with ties to the Villages to have guest privileges. Then they expanded it to 365 days a year.

Maybe if we had known we could have sued because a substantial level of service had been expanded above what we had been told we would get. We could have sued and prevented this whole fiasco.

I also read that the relatives living in the villages do not have to accompany the in-county relatives on the executive golf courses. The executive golf courses are one of our more precious commodities. I suggest that we enforce the rule that the relatives living in the Villages must accompany the in-county relatives on the executive golf courses. Maybe they will eventually get tired of it and not invite them so many times.

The Villages is a 55 and over retirement community and not a resort area. We have to put up with rentals and that certain percentage of under people of 55 that can buy because of the loophole we did not know about when we bought here.

We should be able to draw the line at those that moved to the tri-county area to take advantage of the in-county relative loophole.

I really they do not give up the fight.

This loophole, as you put it for under 55's, wasn't something that is hidden. It has been in Florida books for a very long time. If you didn't know about it, then that must be something that you didn't investigate. Don't make it sound like it was something that was intentionally hidden from you. I am one of those under 55, and am very happy to be here. Now, if you can show some statistics that under 55's cause problems, have more arrests, or whatever the case you might be thinking, then maybe you have a legitimate complaint.

[RCT]

Originally Posted by Peggy D

Just curious, why would a 40-something rent a home in a retirement community? I am not one of these "blow-hards" and I wouldn't go as far to say you don't belong here, but isn't there somplace close to The Villages that would be more suited to your age group?

People on one hand say age is just a number, but now, you say wouldn't you be more comfortable with "your" age group'??? All my life, I have got along with people older than me probably better than my age group. Why should we, or you, for that matter, be "limited"????

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by katezbox

Blue,

Would you clarify something for me? Aren't the folks who get these passes today those who have friends in TV? If so, then aren't there a lot more folks out there who could buy in that don't have friends here today? If no, then I totally agree with you.

I know you addressed this to blue, but I would like to clarify that the ones with the 365-day passes are not friends. They are only issued to those who meet the resident's criteria (children and spouses, grand children and spouses, or great-grand children). Those are the only ones eligible.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by otherbruddaDarrell

OK here is another thing to ponder.
A person owns a home in TV and then sells it and moves close to TV.
He does not turn in his I.D. and says it was lost.
I have heard of a regular at Katie Belles that does this most every day.
He can get by doing this in some areas where a scanner is not used. Would the scanner show that the card is no longer valid? If so, would the card be confiscated?
They say this guy did not want to pay the fees to live here but wants to use our private club most every day.

These are the kind of people they are going after......they are cheats and we are paying for them! Unfortunately, we have some residents dumb enough to help them accomplish cheating; they are the abusers by their help.

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I know you addressed this to blue, but I would like to clarify that the ones with the 365-day passes are not friends. They are only issued to those who meet the resident's criteria (children and spouses, grand children and spouses, or great-grand children). Those are the only ones eligible.

Dilly,

Thank you... I knew I must have been missing something. I still would prefer that we limit guests - and not get into the fee charging business. JMO.

k

[dillywho]

Kate,

I agree that we don't need to get into the fee charging business. With the limits already in place, guests are limited to a degree. Given the population and scope of TV, guest usage is really a very small percentage. On the other hand, seeing and hearing about the abuses/cheats it really magnifies it and gets panic started. While we have to remain vigilant, we don't need to go off on a tangent.

We had a couple (not "couple" couple) in one of the focus group meetings that were very upset that each of them had relatives in Ocala and I can't remember the other place, that did not qualify because they were brother, sister, uncle, whatever. The rules are very clear on who qualifies for the in-area guest passes. Out of area there is no problem other than what I already pointed out (the cheats). Actual guests of residents normally don't come very often because of geography, if nothing more.

To give you a for instance: The closest one I have is my son in Jacksonville who has a job and a life of his own. The same with our daughter in Malabar. The other guests we have had have been from far away (TX, OK, VA) and have stayed 10 days, max. and some have only been here once in the 5+ years we've been here. I sure hope nobody considers that a problem.

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Kate,

I agree that we don't need to get into the fee charging business. With the limits already in place, guests are limited to a degree. Given the population and scope of TV, guest usage is really a very small percentage. On the other hand, seeing and hearing about the abuses/cheats it really magnifies it and gets panic started. While we have to remain vigilant, we don't need to go off on a tangent.

We had a couple (not "couple" couple) in one of the focus group meetings that were very upset that each of them had relatives in Ocala and I can't remember the other place, that did not qualify because they were brother, sister, uncle, whatever. The rules are very clear on who qualifies for the in-area guest passes. Out of area there is no problem other than what I already pointed out (the cheats). Actual guests of residents normally don't come very often because of geography, if nothing more.

To give you a for instance: The closest one I have is my son in Jacksonville who has a job and a life of his own. The same with our daughter in Malabar. The other guests we have had have been from far away (TX, OK, VA) and have stayed 10 days, max. and some have only been here once in the 5+ years we've been here. I sure hope nobody considers that a problem.

Hi Dilly,

Thanks again for the explanation... I agree that we need to monitor this - or else a huge part of what makes TV great is lost in a flash. Our daughter (and s-i-l) are in Atlanta and have wayyyyyy too bus of a life to be here more than a few long weekends a year.

k

[Peggy D]

Originally Posted by RCT

People on one hand say age is just a number, but now, you say wouldn't you be more comfortable with "your" age group'??? All my life, I have got along with people older than me probably better than my age group. Why should we, or you, for that matter, be "limited"????

I too have get along very well with older--and younger people. I am happy to see younger people in the squares. Musicman was commenting on the rude neighbors. So happy that not all Villagers are that way, but if it was
as bad as MM says, why would you want to stay in this area? As a renter you have a choice.

BTW, it never ceases to amaze me how defensive people get when a question is asked. My intentions are not to threaten or abuse anyone, I was just simply asking a question!

Now I understand why many members no longer post!!!

[Bubbalarry]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Tom, of course the shops, restaurants and town squares are open to the public. I don't think this thread is about the use of public facilities. The use of residents' amenities has nothing to do with whether The Villages is a gated community.

Some residents feel that the amenities that are paid for by residents should be limited to resident use with guest passes issued for 30 days for friends and relatives. This seems reasonable to me.

[chuckster]

Originally Posted by Peggy D

I wouldn't go as far to say you don't belong here, but isn't there somplace close to The Villages that would be more suited to your age group?

Peggy....reread what you penned and imho I think you will see why someone would find this statement offensive. Nothing personal here, only the teacher in me coming forth........I hope you continue to post here.

[captain1202]

Musicman,
Don't feel as though you have been singled out. I am well past the "coveted" 55+ age delineator and I can tell you it never ceases to amaze me how many "grumpy old men"" there are here in TV.

• Give a golf cart some courtesy and get the finger or worse
• Get yelled at regularly by drivers who don't have a clue
• Get yelled at regularly for anything!

I told my wife I think they have too much time on their hands to deal with the non-issues in life. They need to get a life! Personally, I'd be happy to see MORE 40 somethings to dilute the "jerk factor".

RE: The Guest thing. IMHO TV is getting too large to be opening it's facilities to NON-PAYERS. I PAY a monthly amenities fee. They DO NOT. It's time to stop the practice. Why should the facilities we PAY for be rn down by NON-PAYERS? The definition of a Guest should be....
"Someone who is actually visiting a TV Resident, meaning they must be either staying on the property with a properly issued guest pass or they are a day visitor. Day should be accompanied by the TV resident."
I see no reason why our facilities should be public.

[chacam]

Originally Posted by chuckster

only the teacher in me coming forth

Retired teachers tend to still treat everyone like students. Didn't like it then, don't like it now ! ! Just my opinion ! ! Sorry for the hijack !

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by captain1202

Musicman,

[*]Give a golf cart some courtesy and get the finger or worse[*]Get yelled at regularly by drivers who don't have a clue[*]Get yelled at regularly for anything![/LIST][/INDENT]
I told my wife I think they have too much time on their hands to deal with the non-issues in life. They need to get a life! Personally, I'd be happy to see MORE 40 somethings to dilute the "jerk factor".

.

Been here eight years.
Never got the finger.
Never been yelled at that I know of.

[chuckster]

Originally Posted by chacam

Retired teachers tend to still treat everyone like students. Didn't like it then, don't like it now ! ! Just my opinion ! ! Sorry for the hijack !

You're forgiven, now go sit in the corner........

[Raintree07]

My son and his family are eligible for the In Area Pass. They live and work in the local area. His son attends college in the area. They have been here over a year now, and the only ammenity they have used ,to date, is the pool and only about 5 times. I do not golf and the only ammenity I have used is the pool. The In Area Passes are issued for 365 days, I doubt they are being used that much because most of the children holding these passes are working or attending school for most of the day. Someone else living here might have several children visting from out of area with no restriction on having to be with them using up much more time using the facilities, ( You can only get a 30 day pass for them but it is my understanding that you can just go renew it over and over again). I have attended some of these focus meetings and have heard some of the members state the biggest problem with the passes are where the Villigers themselves apply for passes for their friends that live close by and use a false address for them. What about all the people that oppose the in area passes for the children of residents and then petition for more Dog Parks in the Villages. Are these parks being paid for by our ammenity fees? If we truly want equality then let the ammenity fees for everything be based on usage. I'm sure my fee and the snowbird fees would be quite abit less than all those that use the golf courses here.