[NJblue]

Originally Posted by katezbox

I don't think 365 day passes should be allowed - do we really want to turn into an organization collecting monies for amenity use? That anyone can buy a one day pass? Do you think that private country clubs built around a community would want to let non-residents buy a membership and create more demand on limited facilities? What about the insurance? What about children they would bring in with them?

We could have snowbirds renting on the cheap and paying an amenity fee for a few months a year to get access to our facilities.

Kate,
You are taking the proposal to charge people who currently have access to free 365 passes and extending it to the equivalent of a lift pass at a ski resort. This is not what was proposed. People outside the tri-county area would continue to live by the existing 30-day rules. People within the tri-county area who are guests of a resident could buy a 365-day pass. The net result would be both a decrease in the number of guests and an increase in the amenity fees (from the few who would choose to buy this pass).

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

I read in the Daily Sun today where the Sumter Landing District browbeat the ACC into rescinding their decision to limit the in-county relatives of residents to 30 days a year because if might bring a law suit because a substantial level of service would be taken away from the residents if the new rule was enacted.

When I moved here eight years ago, no one within the tri-county area was allowed guest passes. Some where between that time and the present, these rules were eased and without public knowledge they allowed tri-county residents with ties to the Villages to have guest privileges. Then they expanded it to 365 days a year.

Maybe if we had known we could have sued because a substantial level of service had been expanded above what we had been told we would get. We could have sued and prevented this whole fiasco.

I also read that the relatives living in the villages do not have to accompany the in-county relatives on the executive golf courses. The executive golf courses are one of our more precious commodities. I suggest that we enforce the rule that the relatives living in the Villages must accompany the in-county relatives on the executive golf courses. Maybe they will eventually get tired of it and not invite them so many times.

The Villages is a 55 and over retirement community and not a resort area. We have to put up with rentals and that certain percentage of under people of 55 that can buy because of the loophole we did not know about when we bought here.

We should be able to draw the line at those that moved to the tri-county area to take advantage of the in-county relative loophole.

I really they do not give up the fight.

The paper that had that article left on that big white truck! I recall there were some percentages listed as to the number of passes and who they were isssued to. If you still have the article......could you share those numbers?

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Kate,
You are taking the proposal to charge people who currently have access to free 365 passes and extending it to the equivalent of a lift pass at a ski resort. This is not what was proposed. People outside the tri-county area would continue to live by the existing 30-day rules. People within the tri-county area who are guests of a resident could buy a 365-day pass. The net result would be both a decrease in the number of guests and an increase in the amenity fees (from the few who would choose to buy this pass).

Not my proposal...

I may be (and probably am) missing something here - but I don't want to provide 365 day/yr amenities to anyone who isn't an owner, a renter, an adult child of owner/renter or the live-in partner of an owner renter.

I am happy to have local folks come to the squares, come over for dinner, attend support meetings in the rec centers, ... But this is pure economics - and we have a limited supply as it is.... I don't want to increase demand in any way other than the planned expansion of TV. And I don't want to get into the fee charging business....

[NJblue]

Perhaps what you are missing is that we currently are allowing guests to have 365-day passes - right now- for free. The proposal that was made above was to charge these same people for this pass rather than give it to them for free. This can not possibly increase the demand for our amenities unless the laws of economics are overturned and people buy more of something when they have to pay for it than when it is free.

[bestmickey]

I have a question. When I do purchase my home in TV (hopefully in a year), what if my sister from New York wants to visit/live with me for two or three months during the winter. Will she be able to have a residents' pass for use of the facilities? (Her name will NOT be on my mortgage.)

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by bestmickey

I have a question. When I do purchase my home in TV (hopefully in a year), what if my sister from New York wants to visit/live with me for two or three months during the winter. Will she be able to have a residents' pass for use of the facilities? (Her name will NOT be on my mortgage.)

Since she is an out-of-area relative (not within Sumter, Lake, or Marion counties), you can get her a guest pass, renewable every 30 days. Children under the age of 19 are limited to visits of 30 calendar days a year. If she is 19 or over, you do not have to accompany her when she goes to the facilities. All she has to have is her guest pass and a picture ID (DL, etc.) (You have to do the renewal yourself, too.)

[Peggy D]

Originally Posted by musicman

Barefoot,

I am going to have to disagree with you there. My wife and I both work in TV and provide services to the community. When we first moved here, we didn't know the area, where to buy a home, so we leased a home in TV. We lived there for three years. We are quiet folk, no kids, no wild parties, rarely home because we work our tales off. We are both in our 40's. We were NEVER made to feel welcome in our home. In fact, we were made to feel most UN-welcome. We quit going to the rec facilities and pools (the fees were paid by the homeowner we leased from) because we were constantly harassed by residents accusing us of taking advantage of THEIR facilities and we shouldn't be there. We got tired of answering to these blow hards that we WERE entitled to be there.

As for the use of public facilities, we rarely go to the town squares anymore. We have been nearly run down by people driving carts on sidewalks, and upon pointing out that it is a SIDEWALK not a cart path, we have been verbally abused. We have not been able to drive on the street because of carts parked in the road. Some of these "friendliest hometown" residents have even told us that we should get out of their way because this is their town and they can drive and park where they want.

I don't get it. We work to support the retired community and provide services they need, but aren't made to feel welcome when we want to use the facilities we have (or had) a right to use. Many residents need to consider that if the under 55 crowd stayed out of "their" town, they would not have anyone to serve them at the restaurant, mix them a drink, provide their healthcare, bag their groceries, cut their hair, trim their bushes, etc.

I understand the frustration of wanting the "private" facilities restricted to those that pay for them. It makes sense to me. Unfortunately I encounter many that have that feeling about the entire Villages area.

I often joke that the town motto should be "Florida's Friendliest Hometown as long as you're 55 or older". Just my opinion, I guess. Sorry for the rant.

Just curious, why would a 40-something rent a home in a retirement community? I am not one of these "blow-hards" and I wouldn't go as far to say you don't belong here, but isn't there somplace close to The Villages that would be more suited to your age group?

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

The paper that had that article left on that big white truck! I recall there were some percentages listed as to the number of passes and who they were isssued to. If you still have the article......could you share those numbers?

I looked though the article. There is no percentage of passes they are allowed to issue.

[TomOB67]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Since she is an out-of-area relative (not within Sumter, Lake, or Marion counties), you can get her a guest pass, renewable every 30 days. Children under the age of 19 are limited to visits of 30 calendar days a year. If she is 19 or over, you do not have to accompany her when she goes to the facilities. All she has to have is her guest pass and a picture ID (DL, etc.) (You have to do the renewal yourself, too.)

how often is this 30 day guest pass renewable in a 1 year period?

[bestmickey]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Since she is an out-of-area relative (not within Sumter, Lake, or Marion counties), you can get her a guest pass, renewable every 30 days. Children under the age of 19 are limited to visits of 30 calendar days a year. If she is 19 or over, you do not have to accompany her when she goes to the facilities. All she has to have is her guest pass and a picture ID (DL, etc.) (You have to do the renewal yourself, too.)

Good to know. THANKS!

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Since she is an out-of-area relative (not within Sumter, Lake, or Marion counties), you can get her a guest pass, renewable every 30 days. Children under the age of 19 are limited to visits of 30 calendar days a year. If she is 19 or over, you do not have to accompany her when she goes to the facilities. All she has to have is her guest pass and a picture ID (DL, etc.) (You have to do the renewal yourself, too.)

Are you sure about this information? What if a guest wanted to stay a year, does that mean the guest gets free amenities for a whole year?

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

Are you sure about this information? What if a guest wanted to stay a year, does that mean the guest gets free amenities for a whole year?

As it stands right now, yes. That's why the debate on placing a 30-day per year use limit (from date of issue, not calendar year) on them.

In my other post, I told you about those who had second homes here, sold them and bought outside TV and are coming back in as "guests". That bothers me much more than an actual guest in your home.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

OK here is another thing to ponder.
A person owns a home in TV and then sells it and moves close to TV.
He does not turn in his I.D. and says it was lost.
I have heard of a regular at Katie Belles that does this most every day.
He can get by doing this in some areas where a scanner is not used. Would the scanner show that the card is no longer valid? If so, would the card be confiscated?
They say this guy did not want to pay the fees to live here but wants to use our private club most every day.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by otherbruddaDarrell

OK here is another thing to ponder.
A person owns a home in TV and then sells it and moves close to TV.
He does not turn in his I.D. and says it was lost.
I have heard of a regular at Katie Belles that does this most every day.
He can get by doing this in some areas where a scanner is not used. Would the scanner show that the card is no longer valid? If so, would the card be confiscated?
They say this guy did not want to pay the fees to live here but wants to use our private club most every day.

If true, this guy is nuts!

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Perhaps what you are missing is that we currently are allowing guests to have 365-day passes - right now- for free. The proposal that was made above was to charge these same people for this pass rather than give it to them for free. This can not possibly increase the demand for our amenities unless the laws of economics are overturned and people buy more of something when they have to pay for it than when it is free.

Blue,

Would you clarify something for me? Aren't the folks who get these passes today those who have friends in TV? If so, then aren't there a lot more folks out there who could buy in that don't have friends here today? If no, then I totally agree with you.