[redwitch]

Barefoot, read some of the previous posts carefully -- they specifically said they are getting into the golf cart lane to slow the carts down.

And, paulandjean, you can make a turn from the street (car lane) and never have to drive into the cart lane, just cross it.

Sorry, this really is a hot button with me. I've had drivers yell at me, try to run me off the road, slam on their brakes IN the golf cart lane just because they are under the wonderful illusion they have the right of way at all times. One guy even cursed me out because the car in front of him stopped to let me go straight. And let me reiterate -- I don't blindly cross in front of a car; I slow down to make sure it is safe for me to continue on my way. If a car slows down or stops, I speed back up and continue on my way; if it is obvious the car wants to go first, I will come to complete stop if necessary to let him.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Barefoot, read some of the previous posts carefully -- they specifically said they are getting into the golf cart lane to slow the carts down.

Sorry Dee, I'm sure you're right, I always respect your opinion.

[gomoho]

Here's an idea "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" common courtesy and a brain can go a long way in this situation.

[JoeC1947]

Upon approaching the Sunset Point gate while on Bailey Trail heading out of Sunset Point the cars are always backed up in the winter. Some golf cart drivers feel that since the cart lane is open they can just zoom past all of the waiting cars and merge in at the last minute. Some car drivers block the cart lane so cart drivers can't get by and some car drivers (Me) won't allow a cart to merge if I see that he is one of those guys that sneaks past the cars.

[Arctic Fox]

Many of the suggestions given are sensible, and will work if everyone is being alert and courteous.

However, with such a multiplicity of "solutions", no-one really knows how the other driver is going to react.

Like roundabouts, which also seem to cause problems, it would be nice if there were one official answer to which we could all adhere.

Does anyone know the traffic laws well enough to quote us chapter and verse?

I really don't mind what I do - I'd just like everyone else to be doing the same thing.

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Many of the suggestions given are sensible, and will work if everyone is being alert and courteous.

However, with such a multiplicity of "solutions", no-one really knows how the other driver is going to react.

Like roundabouts, which also seem to cause problems, it would be nice if there were one official answer to which we could all adhere.

Does anyone know the traffic laws well enough to quote us chapter and verse?

I really don't mind what I do - I'd just like everyone else to be doing the same thing.

I have never found anything online about this, maybe a better searcher can. The closest I have come is laws concerning bike lanes and cars, which IMO are applicable to golf cart lanes.

Here are some examples:

Bike Lanes & Right Turns - SF Bicycle Coalition

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/...turning-right/

http://flbikelaw.org/2009/07/motor-v...in-bike-lanes/


I am not a lawyer, but I can tell you I would never consider passing a car on the right in my golf cart that is ahead of me with their right hand signal on. Law or not, I can slow down...

[Arctic Fox]

Thank you, AJBROWN

Each of those links supports several earlier opinions that the correct thing for a car to do when turning right is move in to the Cart lane when it is safe to do so, but not too far before the turn (assuming that our cart lanes should be treated like bike lanes, and I can't think why they shouldn't).

That approach certainly goes against what I would have thought to be the correct procedure but, as I said earlier, if we all try to do the same thing then at least it is safer.

Of course, there's still the problem of getting the message to the 68,000 Villagers who haven't read this thread, plus visitors and drivers of service vehicles.

[downeaster]

I have been driving cars and carts here for nearly twelve years. The "problem" discussed here has never been a problem for me. In my car I make certain the right lane (golf cart lane in this thread) is clear of carts, bikes and pedestrians before turning right. If it isn't, I slow or stop until it is. If in my cart I will give way to a right turning car even if it means slowing or stopping.

We can argue forever over who is right and who is wrong. My rule, I don't want to hurt anyone and I don't want to get hurt.

I think pulling into that lane to slow down approaching traffic in order to make a right turn could be misinterpreted. Could set a scene for road rage.

[tzangrilli]

Most people drive both cars and golf carts in TV so they should understand that cars and carts are traveling at very different speeds so you have to anticipate any move you wold have to make. Don't leave it until the last minute. And, God forbid, you miss a turn just go to the next street. It's not like we're on the Interstate and have to go to Orlando to turn around.

[George Bieniaszek]

I just dont understand why people cannot adjust their speed either in their cars or carts and be just a little more aware of their surroundings. If travelling in your car and a right turn is coming up with a golf cart in the golf cart lane, you cannot figure out if you have enough space to make the turn without taking out the cart?? I will slow down if there is not enough space and fall behind the golf cart and let it go thru the intersection first bafore I make the turn. Realistically, how much extra time did it take?? If I can pass the golf cart safely and leave enough room, I signal my intentions and pull into the golf cart lane to make the turn.

My pet pieve is when the golf carts traveling in the golf cart lanes make left turns abruptly from the golf cart lanes across the car traffic lanes. Why is it so hard for them to merge into the car lanes when it is safe to do so and mage the turns. Today I was travelling in my golf cart on St. Charles and the golf cart in front of me slowed down and shot across the street to get to the ST James pool. I slowed down and the car travelling along side of me had to hit the brakes. That could have turned very ugly

[sobell]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

another accident on Morse this morning - north of 466, travelling south

usual story - car driver turning right into San Marino takes out golf cart going straight on

There is a "Yield" sign ahead of the turn, but it is a jumble of pictograms which may confuse a non-resident - by the time they have deciphered the message it's too late

YES to your comment about the "Yeild" sign. That was my husband and me in the car. We are always so careful there. We live in the neighborhood so that was not our only time making that turn. I am so sorry for the man in the cart. I can still see him falling out of his cart and thinking that he was going to hit his head or the cart was going to roll over on him. Hopefully his injuries were not any worse than he said. I have been on the phone half of today trying to find out who to contact about the marking of this intersection

[cquick]

I just hate the way Morse is laid out for the golf carts and cars......so confusing and dangerous. The road is VERY busy. I think there needs to be some serious changes to improve safety on that road!

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by cquick

I just hate the way Morse is laid out for the golf carts and cars......so confusing and dangerous. The road is VERY busy. I think there needs to be some serious changes to improve safety on that road!

Nothing wrong with how Morse is with their lanes for golf carts and cars. Carts just have to stay in the cart lane. If they are going to turn left on San Marino, signal with both turn signal and arm, look to see if the lane is clear and move to the left turn lane. Do not turn left from the cart lane!

The cart drivers also have to remember if they are not street legal, the speed limit is 20. If they are street legal, speed limit is 25 and they should not be in the cart lane.

Pay attention to what is going on and try to anticipate actions by other drivers and you will be just fine. Remember that a large percentage of the drivers of both cars and carts are from New York! Be careful!

[DandyGirl]

I was on Morse in that area yesterday and observed a car that was half in the car lane and half in the cart lane in anticipation of turning right. Problem was another car was turning left two cars ahead of him so traffic was at a stand still. Normal except the golf carts were at a stand still also because he had the cart lane blocked. So I disagree with pulling over into the cart lane to turn right.

[MichiganKid]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

I had a close call on Morse while making a right hand turn, I was the one driving the car the guy with the soiled shorts was driving the golf cart. I had my turn signal on well in advance to worn the cart drivers of my intent. At this point I know something is not right, the next day I went to the Sheriff’s office on 466 and talked to the man. He said, “I pull into the cart lane so the carts can not pass me when I am making a right turn. The carts have the right of way but you can enter the lane because it is defined by a white line not a yellow line”. After that explanation and my concerns being put to rest, I was about to walk out the door I then decided to share my thoughts about round-d-rounds with the Sheriff, for that I got a pamphlet with colored diagrams. In my mind a round-d-round should be one lane but then what do I know.

So bottom line duffysmom the Sheriff agrees with you as do I.

Interesting - where I come from it's illegal to cross a solid WHITE line, whereas you can cross a yellow line as that's considered a warning, just like a white (speed limit) or yellow (hill etc) road sign. Nevertheless, moving into the cart lane would seem the prudent way to go.