[Papa_lecki]

“For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older……”

There are a lot of 30 and 40 year old who are interested in cardio drumming, bocce and the other 10,000 clubs dedicated to 55+.

As far as housing, I bet north of 95% are occupied by 55+.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

It also states “the facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.” Airbnbs do not fit that requirement either.

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

“For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older……”

There are a lot of 30 and 40 year old who are interested in cardio drumming, bocce and the other 10,000 clubs dedicated to 55+.

As far as housing, I bet north of 95% are occupied by 55+.

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:

In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Mine and the State of Florida’s
Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations

Where is the verification of occupancy for short term rentals?

So, if The Villages doesn't comply with the 80 percent rule for over-55 communities, people with children 18 and under can start moving in. I don't see how this has anything to do with AIRbnbs.

Why can't The Villages clearly define what they mean by operating a business and enforce their own rule?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:

In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

I would suggest a call to Customer Service or asking at a VCCDD meeting.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:

In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

Being in compliance with the Law and being in compliance with Deed Restrictions and Covenants are two separate and distinct issues.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, if The Villages doesn't comply with the 80 percent rule for over-55 communities, people with children 18 and under can start moving in. I don't see how this has anything to do with AIRbnbs.

Why can't The Villages clearly define what they mean by operating a business and enforce their own rule?

Some of these seem to be owned by Villages Rep's...

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

First, it’s a HUD certification - so no comments about the developer having the state in its pocket.
Second, you can actually read here - find section 100.306

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...l+DOC_7770.PDF

And it’s more than the 80% OCCUPANCY rules (not ownership), section 100.305 lays out all the stuff that must happen to be considered senior.

§ 100.307 Verification of occupancy.
(a) In order for a housing facility or community to qualify as housing for persons 55 years of age or older, it must be able to produce, in response to a complaint filed under this title, verification of compliance with
§ 100.305 through reliable surveys and affidavits.

Remember, the legislation was drafted prior to AIRBNB being a thing.
Surveys and affidavit of the 80% rule has to happen every two year.
If you REALLY think more than 20% of the units are occupied by those under 55, FOIA the affidavit.
But just by driving around here, we are no where near 20% under 55.

[Whitley]

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

Golf, pools, pickleball, music, restaurants, etc, etc, etc

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

The see their parents/grandparents who are over 55.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I really am so tired of the elitism on this site. Hate for snowbirds, hate for AirBnBs, etc. Stop lumping everyone into groups so you can consider yourself so much more worthy than them.

I am seasonal. With a 4 bedroom designer, I pay more taxes than most (excluding Premier) and equal amount of amenity. I have every right to be here and then escape the heat in the summer. I don't need your welcome here (referring to "good riddance" and other comments on other threads), I am just as entitled to be here as you are.

Come this time of year, I am quite thankful that the crowds are lighter and it is easier to get in businesses, but I don't hate or criticise the people who choose to be here a shorter period than me. I don't need to tear them down in order to build myself up.

And if people are coming and going frequently, what business is it of yours? We have neighbors who live here year round, have lots of people over to socialize (carts and cars), and let there dog out to do business in our circle landscaping and often in my yard. Renters are no more rude or disrespectful as a group than year round residents. If people are causing obnoxious noise issues, or parking and blocking your driveway, or whatever your valid complaint is, then that is the complaint, not renters, snowbirds, or whatever other group you consider beneath you and not worthy of living in your midst. Complain about whatever offense occurs (not that you need my permission) but your identify politics shows what the real problems are.

I likewise love my snowbird neighbors. However, I think you are over simplifying the situation. Let's list the types of residents who are not full time:

1) People who own a home in TV and up north, stay here during the winter and close it up for the summer.

2) People who own a home and are still working with the goal to retire here so they rent out long term

3) People who bought something like a villa for the sole purpose of renting it out as a business, but won't rent for less than a month and usually have a property manager

4) Air BNB's that rent for a day or 2, or a week.

Now, which would you want next to your home? And remember, that air BNB could be rented for a week to spring break 18 year olds who bring 3 kegs of beer (but won't share with you)

[LuvtheVillages]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

In order to verify that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55, The Villages uses the ID cards that have been issued to all homeowners.

They can keep track of everyone's birthdate and age, and can easily verify compliance with the 80% rule.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by LuvtheVillages

In order to verify that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55, The Villages uses the ID cards that have been issued to all homeowners.

They can keep track of everyone's birthdate and age, and can easily verify compliance with the 80% rule.

Not so easy. Being a homeowner doesn't mean that are a resident. Also, being a homeowner who is under 55, doesn't mean that you don't have a housemate or tenant who is over 55. The rule is about residents, not homeowners.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Not so easy. Being a homeowner doesn't mean that are a resident. Also, being a homeowner who is under 55, doesn't mean that you don't have a housemate or tenant who is over 55. The rule is about residents, not homeowners.

Rule is occupant. If you own and rent, and your tenant wants an owners ID, owner needs to turn in their ID to get new one issued. So they know age of all occupants.
And the attestation is at a point in time