[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Could this someday be coming Florida or TV?
At our age, I doubt we will see the day.

MSN

So many provocative posts and so many computer problems TROLLING!

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Some states have common sense helmet laws. They require extra insurance for those that ride without helmets. This should cover the extra cost of diapers, etc, without burdening the taxpayer.

Not in new york...bodily injury protection is excluded to Mc riders and their paasenger. My guess allot of other states follow suit.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Some folks do not comprehend comments posted or maybe folks like myself just do not comment plain enough for comprehension.
I don't believe that I have ever said anything remotely suggestive that wearing a helmet will "take away from your ride." This is about banning motorcycles. I am against banning motorcycles and I am against restrictive laws that seem to be made/endorsed by folks that have no inkling or experience with the issue. I wear a helmet. I am against helmet mandates. I am also against seat belt mandates. I do not care whether or not they save lives. That should be up to those that wish for their lives to be saved. I suggest that folks ought to be able to chose for themselves the amount of protection or assistance they wish.
I believe that most folks that wish to make rules or laws regarding the issues related to motorcycle riding, are folks that have no experience with motorcycle operation or those that have had a bad incident while riding. I believe there are a lot of folks that just insist they know what is better for someone else than you. I find that presumptuous and arrogant.
If one wishes to ban motorcycles because of accidents, then they should also ban automobiles due to much more accident injuries. Maybe everyone should be required to use buses and trains for transportation, as they are safer.

I believe most responding posters write with answers that are very comprehensive, they get right to the point and are very succinct. But yet again the same person, who btw complains don't shove rules down my throat," tries endlessly to say how wrong all of our responses are, nonstop shoving his opinion down our throat. This is done repeatedly on all his post.

Things that make you go hummm????

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Not in new york...bodily injury protection is excluded to Mc riders and their paasenger. My guess allot of other states follow suit.

Can someone name one of these states? It seems like a really lousy risk for the ins company since only people who don't plan on wearing a helmet would buy the extra coverage

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Thank you for pointing that out.

Stupid as in you believe it would be stupid.

I'm a rugged individualist and understand what government overreach is. But I also understand that rights come with RESPONSIBILITIES. I'm all for a person to be free to not wear a helmet, but that I also that person should be responsible for his injuries.

Seems like you want the rights, then demand I pay for someone else's irresponsibility.

As I posted earlier, let em go without helmets as long as they have insurance to cover that choice.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Can someone name one of these states? It seems like a really lousy risk for the ins company since only people who don't plan on wearing a helmet would buy the extra coverage

If you are at least 21 years of age and have an insurance policy with at least $10,000 in medical coverage for injuries you may suffer in a motorcycle crash, Florida law does not require that you wear a helmet. A violation of the law is only a noncriminal traffic infraction not punishable as a moving violation for which you can be ordered to pay a fine plus court costs and administration fees.

From here: Motorcycle Helmet Laws By State

[spd2918]

I own 2 motorcycles. My motorcycle insurance is absolutely higher due to non-helmet crashing riders. Florida vehicle insurance is also much higher due to so many non-licensed and uninsured illegal aliens.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by spd2918

I own 2 motorcycles. My motorcycle insurance is absolutely higher due to non-helmet crashing riders. Florida vehicle insurance is also much higher due to so many non-licensed and uninsured illegal aliens.

I don't consider my $75 as being very high for motorcycle insurance. I believe it was higher in my last state, but I could be wrong.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Stupid as in you believe it would be stupid.

I'm a rugged individualist and understand what government overreach is. But I also understand that rights come with RESPONSIBILITIES. I'm all for a person to be free to not wear a helmet, but that I also that person should be responsible for his injuries.

Seems like you want the rights, then demand I pay for someone else's irresponsibility.

As I posted earlier, let em go without helmets as long as they have insurance to cover that choice.

I don't believe I said anything about being irresponsible. I believe that we were talking about banning motorcycles and someone got off onto the diversion of speaking about wearing helmets. I didn't say anything about insurance. I said I do not believe in laws mandating the wearing of helmets, seat belts, etc. Someone ELSE said that everyone must suffer the consequences for someone being irresponsible. And I also said that (in not so many words) that being irresponsible is in the eye of the beholder. I also made the facetious comment that to make sure there were no accidents we should ban automobiles since there are way more car accidents than motorcycle accidents. Ban bicycles because there are bicycle fatalities every year. Skateboarding is a dangerous sport and should be banned. I don't see a mandate for skateboarders to have insurance and there are between 60,000 to 100,000 skateboarding accidents reported by hospitals every year. I have insurance on my riding a motorcycle. If that does not suffice for the NON-bikers than I have to say tough ****.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I believe most responding posters write with answers that are very comprehensive, they get right to the point and are very succinct. But yet again the same person, who btw complains don't shove rules down my throat," tries endlessly to say how wrong all of our responses are, nonstop shoving his opinion down our throat. This is done repeatedly on all his post.

Things that make you go hummm????

So, if I disagree with those "very comprehensive" answers, I should not enter the conversation with my reasoning? Sounds a bit on the side of censorship.
My answer that some that have NO or little experience on the subject, wish to have the authority install mandates, seemed to be "very comprehensive."
I apologize if it seemed that I am "shoving" my "opinion down" your "throat." It was meant as discussion, not brainwashing. I don't believe in mandates so I will not force anyone to agree with me....
I try to speak in general, not aimed at a particular poster. Using the reply button is just a means of trying to segregate the point so as to address the point, not the person.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't believe I said anything about being irresponsible.

Sure you did. You want people to have the right to ride helmetless without having the responsibility to pay for their injuries. How is that not irresponsible?

Hopefully you do not see this issue as 100% one way or the other. Life is not like that. There is nuance to most of life's concerns, and where we draw the line moves from time to time. It is perfectly reasonable to expect riders who stupidly ride without head protection to pay more insurance. The State of Florida seems to agree.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't consider my $75 as being very high for motorcycle insurance. I believe it was higher in my last state, but I could be wrong.

Is that $75 a month or a year? If a year, can you message me your agent's info because I pay a ton more than that.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO Harley owners will never buy electric motorcycle. HD has unique sound.

Harley has produced and is selling an Electric Motorcycle. What's the world coming to?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Riders without helmets are referred to as organ donors.

Unless they are Villagers. Then they are just valued as compost no matter what is the cause of death.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Sure you did. You want people to have the right to ride helmetless without having the responsibility to pay for their injuries. How is that not irresponsible?

Hopefully you do not see this issue as 100% one way or the other. Life is not like that. There is nuance to most of life's concerns, and where we draw the line moves from time to time. It is perfectly reasonable to expect riders who stupidly ride without head protection to pay more insurance. The State of Florida seems to agree.

How would they not have the responsibility of paying for their own injuries? Aren't they required to have the same insurance as cars and trucks have? I guess it is not unreasonable to expect to pay more if smokers and drinkers pay more.

I thought this was about banning motorcycles not helmet laws.