[Larryandlinda]

.......Our last posting might have gone over some heads!

Originally Posted by villa2

A few short years ago in my home town a couple were found dead with zip ties around their necks. It was determined to be a murder suicide. I guess zip ties are not good to have around?

But if you're TV-official age you're
excused!

L and L

[jblum8156]

I just realized this was from last year. What exactly is the point of running it again on TOTV?

[villa2]

Originally Posted by Larryandlinda

.......Our last posting might have gone over some heads!



But if you're TV-official age you're
excused!

L and L

When everybody in town heard that they used zip ties for the murder-suicide, nobody could believe it. What is a zip tie? ( for the uninformed) It is a plastic band that locks when tightened and can only be removed by something sharp, like a knife or scissors.( they were around their necks)

The point being: if your determined to kill yourself or someone else, you do not need a gun.

[Tweety Bird]

Actually this particular thread interested me way back and Im facinated that it had been revived. I worked with domestic violence in my line of work (in the past) and I have felt sadness for Denise. (I don't know her). She snapped. What she did was wrong. Have we all not snapped a little and done something or said something wrong? Of course shooting the husband is snapping a bit too far. I often wished I could visit with her and just talk it out. She needs an advocate just to hear her out. She ruined her life. Trying to kill the husband will only lock her up in jail. From paradise to jail. Man...what a change. Geeeeez

[manaboutown]

The person I feel sorry for is the victim, i.e., the man who was shot. Unless it was in self defense his wife tried to murder him. As for abuse issues, until the facts are known who is to say who abused whom? Shooting the fellow in an attempt to kill him is clearly abuse in my book!

As for guns, I keep one around for personal defense although I do not carry it all the time. A close friend of mine is a retired deputy sheriff and he must carry one wherever he goes in case some felon he may have put in prison attempts to use deadly force on him. Some convicts have sworn to kill him when they get out. Several people, women included, I know or know of have saved their own lives upon occasion by using a gun they had with them in a purse, backpack, car or wherever, against an attacker. One may not have 20 minutes to survive until the police arrive. Incidentally, statistics show the highest murder rates occur where gun control laws prohibit citizens from keeping guns for self defense. The wolves know where the lambs are unarmed. Gun control of course does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

It does not look like Denise Textor even has a trial start date yet from the various searches I have done. She was denied bail in January '10 and then tried to commit suicide in April of '10.

[Tweety Bird]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The person I feel sorry for is the victim, i.e., the man who was shot. Unless it was in self defense his wife tried to murder him. As for abuse issues, until the facts are known who is to say who abused whom? Shooting the fellow in an attempt to kill him is clearly abuse in my book!

As for guns, I keep one around for personal defense although I do not carry it all the time. A close friend of mine is a retired deputy sheriff and he must carry one wherever he goes in case some felon he may have put in prison attempts to use deadly force on him. Some convicts have sworn to kill him when they get out. Several people, women included, I know or know of have saved their own lives upon occasion by using a gun they had with them in a purse, backpack, car or wherever, against an attacker. One may not have 20 minutes to survive until the police arrive. Incidentally, statistics show the highest murder rates occur where gun control laws prohibit citizens from keeping guns for self defense. The wolves know where the lambs are unarmed. Gun control of course does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

You are absolutely right about her husband being the victim. He was and if he is fighting for his life, he is still the victim physically and emotionally.

She was wrong, wrong, wrong by shooting him. Of course! But, I do feel sorry for her in the sense that I can only presume a negative scenario behind closed doors.

Don't laugh, but I snapped while my husband and I were out having dinner many years ago. He was merciless with whatever he was saying and I threw the contents of my wine glass at him. But, I missed. The wine flew over to the next booth behind him. The customer emerged from his booth and what made it worse is that I knew the couple. That was one night I was glad I didn't have a gun. haha!

But, you have turned my head around where gun control is concerned. I've learned something from this and I appreciate the education. It makes absolute sense if police are not able to get to your destination and your life is in danger where you could have used a gun.

I like when these discussions surface. I can only learn OR educate others.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by jblum8156

I just realized this was from last year. What exactly is the point of running it again on TOTV?

Came up because bythecsure asked a question that was a continuation of this particular thread. Better to keep the topic in one location than start another thread....but it did take me by surprise....thought something had happened!

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Tweety Bird

But, I do feel sorry for her in the sense that I can only presume a negative scenario behind closed doors.

Presumptions are not facts. By the way, in this country we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Indeed, what may have gone on behind closed doors is she was abusing him all along and finally attempted to kill him by shooting him in the chest.

Back when I was in my mid twenties I worked with a fellow who had met a woman through an early computer dating service. He started to show up at work with bruises on his arms, neck and face. Black eyes followed and finally a broken arm. His office mate and I got her identification out of him and we called the police. She was arrested and convicted of battering him.

[Tweety Bird]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Presumptions are not facts. By the way, in this country we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Indeed, what may have gone on behind closed doors is she was abusing him all along and finally attempted to kill him by shooting him in the chest.

Back when I was in my mid twenties I worked with a fellow who had met a woman through an early computer dating service. He started to show up at work with bruises on his arms, neck and face. Black eyes followed and finally a broken arm. His office mate and I got her identification out of him and we called the police. She was arrested and convicted of battering him.

That is a very sad situation. Thank you for sharing. I used the word PRESUME!!!!!!! I can personally presume anything I want thank you and I'm not in a court of law at the moment. Yes, women batter men. THAT is a fact. But the numbers of men hitting/or emotionally battering women is a higher stat. And..men are traditionally stronger than women. I will not presume ANYTHING about this "particular" couple because I have never met them. But, this is a very interesting subject, because when you are financially set and retired and have all the materialistic STUFF that you want and you have grandchildren and mutual friends....walking out the door is the hardest thing to do. It's VERY hard. Anybody that shoots their partner, however, has snapped and gone over the edge. That situation was attempted murder, and that's not a presumption. This thread though is very important because it is such a hush hush topic, and it's not just about Denise and Dennis...it is about the big elephant in the room that we never see or are aware of. I've been in the field of domestic abuse for many years in the past. I have been to many trainings and worked along side with law enforcement. I've been at the side of a particular young pregnant woman (6 weeks to go) in the hospital because she was badly battered. Pictures were taken and filed. We had to wait till the baby was born before we knew what kind of legal action would be taken against this slime of a "man". The baby could have been harmed by his brutal attack. Her eyes were black and blue and swollen. A BEAUTIFUL looking girl. She and I would get together at the office and view movies (little situational stories) of a variety of interractions between couples. It was a real learning tool because she was unaware. After time flew by, she was thinking of having her little girl get to know her father and perhaps return to him. As we were sitting in my office, I took out her file and showed her the pictures that were taken when she was in the hospital. I read the things that she stated at the time of her filing a restraining order and she relived the moment and decided to forget him. No one can tell a woman what to do (or a man) but coming to their own conclusion with guidance and education is all we can do to help people. I really wanted to share my story. Having this venue resurface, gave the opportunity.