[Peachie]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

no, peachie, you twisted the point! it's not mine! what does it matter if a few non-villagers use the multi-model paths?

and you failed to respond to my questions. so i will repost them here:
why do you continue to raise only a slim possibility of such when no one else does? or are you just upset because 'outsiders' MIGHT be using multi-model paths that are paid for/maintained by villager's amenity fees - especially when you have no idea how many 'outsiders' use them now or MIGHT use themin the future? i just don't get your concern?

i really am sincerely interested in your answers. pm them to me if you do not wish to post here. thanx

All those questions have been answered at different times by me, bchbum, go under community and Peachie and you will be able to read all my posts on this which will fully explain my positions.

What you haven't answered is why all the angst on your part after we have found out, happily, that the good residents of the historic area and others in The Villages will be able to go to their desired locations through the gated opening? It's time to uncork one and celebrate.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Peachie

All those questions have been answered at different times by me, bchbum, go under community and Peachie and you will be able to read all my posts on this which will fully explain my positions.

What you haven't answered is why all the angst on your part after we have found out, happily, that the good residents of the historic area and others in The Villages will be able to go to their desired locations through the gated opening? It's time to uncork one and celebrate.

we will all 'uncork one and celebrate' IF/WHEN the wall is open and a gate is installed!

i have read your posts and understand your positions...i am just trying to understand why you have them; and it does not appear that i will ever learn that. ciao.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

we will all 'uncork one and celebrate' IF/WHEN the wall is open and a gate is installed!

i have read your posts and understand your positions...i am just trying to understand why you have them; and it does not appear that i will ever learn that. ciao.

Peachie has come back on to post again after quite a long absence from this forum and she had a very good reason for leaving. I know her as a smart, ethical woman with very good common sense, a kind heart and someone with the same philosophy of life as yours, Njbchbum in many ways.

I think if you were to meet in person you would not find yourselves at odds.

I think when this issue settles down and hopefully resolves itself and the adrenaline level drops, everything will be more easily discussed.

I hope so.



Bring on the new gate. Let life begin anew.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

we will all 'uncork one and celebrate' IF/WHEN the wall is open and a gate is installed!

i have read your posts and understand your positions...i am just trying to understand why you have them; and it does not appear that i will ever learn that. ciao.

Sent you a PM

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Peachie has come back on to post again after quite a long absence from this forum and she had a very good reason for leaving. I know her as a smart, ethical woman with very good common sense, a kind heart and someone with the same philosophy of life as yours, Njbchbum in many ways.

I think if you were to meet in person you would not find yourselves at odds.

I think when this issue settles down and hopefully resolves itself and the adrenaline level drops, everything will be more easily discussed.

I hope so.



Bring on the new gate. Let life begin anew.

Very kind words, Gracie, but you know I have warts too. I had just sent njbchbum a PM and came back and found your post. Thank you and now back to the subject at hand.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

peachie has come back on to post again after quite a long absence from this forum and she had a very good reason for leaving. I know her as a smart, ethical woman with very good common sense, a kind heart and someone with the same philosophy of life as yours, njbchbum in many ways.

I think if you were to meet in person you would not find yourselves at odds.

I think when this issue settles down and hopefully resolves itself and the adrenaline level drops, everything will be more easily discussed.

I hope so.


Bring on the new gate. Let life begin anew.

amen to that !!!!!!!!!!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Peachie has come back on to post again after quite a long absence from this forum and she had a very good reason for leaving. I know her as a smart, ethical woman with very good common sense, a kind heart and someone with the same philosophy of life as yours, Njbchbum in many ways.

I think if you were to meet in person you would not find yourselves at odds.

I think when this issue settles down and hopefully resolves itself and the adrenaline level drops, everything will be more easily discussed.

I hope so.

Bring on the new gate. Let life begin anew.

gracie - just got a pm from her and i could not agree with you more! lets us 3 do lunch when i return - maybe at the o.b. country club even!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

I certainly think that the building of the new ALC is the reason for the wall, Penn, I just can't get my head round why it was built "during the night".

As you say, though, it would all be moot if a card-controlled gate is introduced.

I suppose that could be a reason, but the ALC has been under construction for almost a year now. Why would the gate not have been closed when the plans for construction were approved?

There are several possible reasons that the wall went up. They may have found some non residents playing on a golf course or using a pool after hours, new lawyers may have felt that there is some kind of liability issue, the insurance company may have raise the rates because they just discovered what has been going on, residents may have been complaining about the traffic or there may have been an accident or close call of some sort.

These are all speculation just as the ALC being the reason is speculation. The supposed feud between Morse and Brown is also speculation. No one knows exactly what happened and all of this speculation doesn't help. I've met several people over the past few days that have told me that they absolutely know the reason. The problem is that they all had different reasons.

When people post all of these speculative reasons, they tend to grow and people repeat them like they are the absolute truth. I don't think that that does anyone any good.

"Maybe it's because", becomes, "I heard that it's because', which then becomes, "I know it's because". Then people for some reason what to defend their position.

Some people don't like the Morses because of some things they've done and other people simply don't like successful people. They really want this to be about greed and Morse acting like Ebenezer Scrooge so they can say, "See I told you so. All rich people are evil and out to get us".

I think that we all need to take a deep breath and ask ourselves what do we really know as fact and stop all the speculation.

What we do know now is that a plan has been proposed and if approved, which most people seem to think it will be, it will be good for the residents of the Villages and we will be back to our lovely lifestyle once again.

We can go on saying that we don't believe it, or it's all a set up, but what good does that really do anyone. I say wait and see and in the next few weeks if we don't hear of anything good happening start getting on the VHAs back about it. They took the initiative to meet with the developer and try to work something out. The ball is now in their court. But we have to give them a chance to see if they can produce what they are promising.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I suppose that could be a reason, but the ALC has been under construction for almost a year now. Why would the gate not have been closed when the plans for construction were approved?

There are several possible reasons that the wall went up. They may have found some non residents playing on a golf course or using a pool after hours, new lawyers may have felt that there is some kind of liability issue, the insurance company may have raise the rates because they just discovered what has been going on, residents may have been complaining about the traffic or there may have been an accident or close call of some sort.

These are all speculation just as the ALC being the reason is speculation. The supposed feud between Morse and Brown is also speculation. No one knows exactly what happened and all of this speculation doesn't help. I've met several people over the past few days that have told me that they absolutely know the reason. The problem is that they all had different reasons.

When people post all of these speculative reasons, they tend to grow and people repeat them like they are the absolute truth. I don't think that that does anyone any good.

"Maybe it's because", becomes, "I heard that it's because', which then becomes, "I know it's because". Then people for some reason what to defend their position.

Some people don't like the Morses because of some things they've done and other people simply don't like successful people. They really want this to be about greed and Morse acting like Ebenezer Scrooge so they can say, "See I told you so. All rich people are evil and out to get us".

I think that we all need to take a deep breath and ask ourselves what do we really know as fact and stop all the speculation.

What we do know now is that a plan has been proposed and if approved, which most people seem to think it will be, it will be good for the residents of the Villages and we will be back to our lovely lifestyle once again.

We can go on saying that we don't believe it, or it's all a set up, but what good does that really do anyone. I say wait and see and in the next few weeks if we don't hear of anything good happening start getting on the VHAs back about it. They took the initiative to meet with the developer and try to work something out. The ball is now in their court. But we have to give them a chance to see if they can produce what they are promising.

Well said.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Artic Fox. I think one reason the gate was not important 10 years ago is because they had not built a rather sizable Assisted Living Home. Their (Assisted Living) building a cart path that would accomadate their clients and provide them with free unencumbered access to Blossom roads, cart path, and the Villages was a very clever move. Of course there are significant costs associated with opening up The Villages to the "outside" and the residents are ones who bear these costs. We even have controls over family and friends visitors.
Anyone can drive into The Villages and experience the life style but when it is suggested they become a pseudo residents without bearing any of the costs or worse have a better position than family and friends then it has gone too far. As I said, if it was the Developers intent to shut this all down and set up a controlled entrance through Village Gate cards then I for one cheer him.

What don't you understand about assisted living. These folk need assistance to do almost everything. So you can really imagine a bunch of assisted living people breeching the Villages boundaries and using our golf courses, pools, pickle ball etc. The last assisted care I visited (we have a therapy puppy), most people could not even eat without assistance. In my wildest imagination I cannot visualize "their clients" (your words) driving a golf cart and soaking up our amenities for free.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

When people post all of these speculative reasons, they tend to grow and people repeat them like they are the absolute truth.

I am certainly guilty of taking what people post on TOTV as facts

Now, must put the cart on charge ready for my next trip to Aldi...

[xkeowner]

If the solution is as simple as the VHA proposal appears to be the question remains who was the decision authority who jumped to such a callous and onerous decision instead of participating in an open dialog? I have a strange feeling I may learn the truth about what happened at Benghazi before I learn the answer to that question.

I am hopeful the VHA proposal can be quickly approved/implemented as, even though we live near the Havana CC, we use the path 3-4 times per month.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

What don't you understand about assisted living. These folk need assistance to do almost everything. So you can really imagine a bunch of assisted living people breeching the Villages boundaries and using our golf courses, pools, pickle ball etc. The last assisted care I visited (we have a therapy puppy), most people could not even eat without assistance. In my wildest imagination I cannot visualize "their clients" (your words) driving a golf cart and soaking up our amenities for free.

You must not know anyone who lives at Freedom Pointe assisted living. There are some wonderful, active people living there. Also, there are spouses who may be healthy who are living with the less healthy people. They also have visitors and or family who live nearby and that is why a decision is made to put them in a local assisted living facility. The new facility has advertised that they are golf cart accessible. But let's hope all of this is water under the bridge and we are able to resolve this and have the wall taken down and all of this becomes a distant memory.

[schwarz]

you are right...I help manage the dining room at a Village assisted living facility. These folks are NOT using the village facilities...some of their kids, age 55 plus, may live in the villages

[golf2140]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

You must not know anyone who lives at Freedom Pointe assisted living. There are some wonderful, active people living there. Also, there are spouses who may be healthy who are living with the less healthy people. They also have visitors and or family who live nearby and that is why a decision is made to put them in a local assisted living facility. The new facility has advertised that they are golf cart accessible. But let's hope all of this is water under the bridge and we are able to resolve this and have the wall taken down and all of this becomes a distant memory.

BK,

Nice post. Must add they these folks pay an amenity fee each month.