[njbchbum]

pm'g you in order to keep thread on topic.

[Russ_Boston]

My only point is that when you put aside the emotions - Is there ANY other place in TV where you can legally bring a non street legal cart to that is OFF the campus?

I don't think so. But I may be wrong so please let us know of any other. Thanks.

If not then this (again, emotions aside) is just more off campus business that we can not get to.

I really like to bottom line things instead of allowing emotions to rule.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

My only point is that when you put aside the emotions - Is there ANY other place in TV where you can legally bring a non street legal cart to that is OFF the campus?

I don't think so. But I may be wrong so please let us know of any other. Thanks.

If not then this (again, emotions aside) is just more off campus business that we can not get to.

I really like to bottom line things instead of allowing emotions to rule.

could you clarify the difference between 'in TV' and 'OFF the campus' please.
if it is off campus is it still in the villages? i will take a stab and suggest the villages wood working building on rolling acres rd that uses a path thru the woods and the golf range beyond that bldg that i don't think folks are supposed to cart to.

does it really matter whether one could leave the campus by golf cart from any other spot than the paradise dr non-gate?

we can also cross out of la plaza grande by the villages golf cart store/citizens bank at that traffic light to get to the target shopping center across avenida central.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS

Once again let's remember it was the developer who provided the path, it was not made by the residents, He did the same thing between Tarrson Ave and near the post office.

What path are we talking about? The 'inside' path out of the historic district is only about 30 yards long. After that it is made up of various cut throughs and parking lots etc. Maybe there is some case to be heard because of some long standing easement but other than that many of these 'paths' are though non TV owned private land. Any ONE of them could cut access if they wished to.

I would think that the smaller stores like Takis etc would stand to lose more than Lowes, Walmart etc.

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

My only point is that when you put aside the emotions - Is there ANY other place in TV where you can legally bring a non street legal cart to that is OFF the campus?

I don't think so. But I may be wrong so please let us know of any other. Thanks.

If not then this (again, emotions aside) is just more off campus business that we can not get to.

I really like to bottom line things instead of allowing emotions to rule.

Are we in "TV" when we go to Fresh Market? Just curious.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

could you clarify the difference between 'in TV' and 'OFF the campus' please.
if it is off campus is it still in the villages? i will take a stab and suggest the villages wood working building on rolling acres rd that uses a path thru the woods and the golf range beyond that bldg.

All of that land to get to the wood working location is, to my knowledge, owned by TV.

Yes you can get to the golf range because once you get to the 'off campus' part you are actually driving on private property. Currently the driving range doesn't mind because they like the business. But someday they could limit that access and they would have every right to do so since it is private property. Doubt if they would.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Are we in "TV" when we go to Fresh Market? Just curious.

Yes, TV owned commercial land as is almost everything on Wedgewood Lane.

BUT you'll notice that you can not get to the Hair Academy. That is bounded by non TV private land. You can park in back of it but you can not get into the Academy parking lot legally.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Are we in "TV" when we go to Fresh Market? Just curious.

The doctor offices and urgent care I believe are on campus. So where in the TV are on campus facilities cut off from Village Residents? Harbor Chase, Wal-Mart, Lowes would be off campus as you said in your post.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

we can also cross out of la plaza grande by the villages golf cart store/citizens bank at that traffic light to get to the target shopping center across avenida central.

Target Shopping center is, again, TV owned commercial land and Avenida Central is crossable because it is a 35 mph (or maybe 30) road not 45 (like 441, 466 etc).

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

The doctor offices and urgent care I believe are on campus. So where in the TV are on campus facilities cut off from Village Residents? Harbor Chase, Wal-Mart, Lowes would be off campus as you said in your post.

I think you might be right about that and that may be a good point to attack the developer with. But it is possible that these lands are not TV commercial land. Does anyone know for sure?

Since TV commercial land is sold with "golf cart accessible" clauses, and demand premium rents because of that, then I doubt that the business mentioned have that clause or the wall limitation would become legally actionable. And one thing we know for sure is that Morse has a bunch of lawyers.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

where is in the covenants that the villages is an enclosed community? what IS an enclosed community? i looked at my covenants and do not see that phrase in the paperwork.

Njbchbum, am I to understand that you didn't know the paths enclosed within The Villages are private paths? I'll bet you didn't know people residing outside The Villages aren't entitled to use The Village pools either. Sigh....

Since the problem seems to be that the people in the historic section want access to "The Path" because they don't want to use the businesses in Spanish Springs or travel so far to Wal Mart on 466, maybe the bridge over 27/441 could be torn down and the problem would be solved. (Tongue in cheek here...)

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

All of that land to get to the wood working location is, to my knowledge, owned by TV.

Yes you can get to the golf range because once you get to the 'off campus' part you are actually driving on private property. Currently the driving range doesn't mind because they like the business. But someday they could limit that access and they would have every right to do so since it is private property. Doubt if they would.

but the villages could put up jersey barriers on the edge of their property to block travel to/from the golf range as they walled off the path to medical facilities and shopping centers?

why do you think old harold paved that path on the historic side to the medical complex if not for the convenience of villagers?

and what business is it of the current developer if folks choose to travel a dirt track over land he does not own?

we already know that lady lake made the once upon a time gate come down because it blocked access to a public road [paradise dr]. so how is it he can do the same thing now with a wall?

no emotion here - just questions without answers.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and what business is it of the current developer if folks choose to travel a dirt track over land he does not own?

From a legal standpoint he doesn't care if YOU make a decision to drive a cart where you are not supposed to be. But he does care if he paves an open path to that spot and basically INVITES you to be there. It's a legal distinction only. The wall,, as we know, isn't stopping anyone from getting to these locations but THEY make the decision to drive on private property and the TV developer doesn't condone it by making it easy and inviting.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

we already know that lady lake made the once upon a time gate come down because it blocked access to a public road [paradise dr]. so how is it he can do the same thing now with a wall?

Yes. But can you drive a non street legal out of that gate? I don't know.

And even if you can you are on public roads not private property and there is already laws in place which govern what kind of public roads can be driven on by a golf cart.

Again it's a legal thing.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Njbchbum, am I to understand that you didn't know the paths enclosed within The Villages are private paths? I'll bet you didn't know people residing outside The Villages aren't entitled to use The Village pools either. Sigh....

Since the problem seems to be that the people in the historic section want access to "The Path" because they don't want to use the businesses in Spanish Springs or travel so far to Wal Mart on 466, maybe the bridge over 27/441 could be torn down and the problem would be solved. (Tongue in cheek here...)

peachie - multi modal paths are private and maintained with our amenities...the roads are public...we are not a private gated community.

are you saying that folks from stonecrest and spruce creek south, lady lake, etc. are allowed to use the pools of the villages. or are you referring to the policies for resident non-owners or guests who live beyond the boundaries of our three counties to use select villages amenities? pray tell.

your tongue in cheek comment was not found to be so - at all.