[oot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well said. But what are you thinking could be next?

I really don't know - could there be other access area which may soon see a wall? It might not affect me directly, but may affect others. What about some other item we have grown to love - could it go without notice as well?

This wall affects the residents of that area for what seems to be no good reason. With all the fall out that this has caused you would think he would reconsider or comment.

He is still trying to sell houses and the negative publicity regarding this is not a good business decision in my mind. With the IRS situation out there and now this strange decision to put up a wall, it might make a potential buyer stop and think. I know we were skiddish about the IRS, but decided to take the risk and buy anyway because the lifestyle and beauty of this place outweighed the potential outcome.

The Villages is a GREAT place to live and I thank him for the ability to buy into such a great community. I just hope it stays as great as it is and does not change as time goes by.

[TVMayor]

I would suggest a group of Demonstrators show up Friday, August 16th 3pm to 5pm in the area of Gilchrist Rec Center on Pinellas PL &Dafoe Ter to be viewed by the guest of the new Designer Model Home Center. I will be in attendance at the center to view the reaction.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Very nice text book example, however, who are the implied parties to this contract and how do you know the contract was breached creating an estoppel?????????

The more I hear about this issue the more I am convinced that something else is going on and the wall placement is justified.

The faux excuses of the wall preventing people access amounts mostly to I want it my way or the highway rationalizations and it is creating unnecessary bad publicity for The Villages. In that I respectively ask those people who do not live in The Villages from fueling the fires

Again I believe the Developer is an excellent businessman and if anyone thinks he would be foolish enough to leave himself exposed, well there is this bridge in Brooklyn

Have you been or are you an employee of the Developer. It certainly appears so. How can you blindly support someone who will not answer the residents in a prompt manner. If there is a just reason, let the Developer come forth with the explanation. Those folks who were using the path deserve those answers, not providing answers is in my opinion telling those concerned residents to "go to hell"..

[red tail]

a lot of the people on here are the same people who chastised anyone shopping at walmart because of the 'buy in America' phase. I guess now its ok if you can get there.

[TVMayor]

What did Neighborhood Watch see?

Would people on the trolley find demonstrators interesting, ones located at the exits to the parking lots at the back of the sales offices?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Have you been or are you an employee of the Developer. It certainly appears so. How can you blindly support someone who will not answer the residents in a prompt manner. If there is a just reason, let the Developer come forth with the explanation. Those folks who were using the path deserve those answers, not providing answers is in my opinion telling those concerned residents to "go to hell"..

That statement makes me angry personally. The same has been said about me ...even going so far as to hear from a complete stranger when she met me for the first time that she heard from a woman golfer who posts on here that GARY MORSE bought and paid for my house.

Rubicon is a fair person and he says what he honestly feels. He doesn't work for the developer, I would bet my best hat on that. You have read him over the years, just as we have read posts from frequent posters.

Saying stuff like that isn't solving the problem.

The Morses have closed the wall. We can't vote. We knew this was a CDD when we bought. Apparently the Morses ARE throwing their weight around and that is NOT RIGHT. I have been a huge supporter of the developers but on this issue I don't agree at all.

But let's not start a war here. Let's deal with the facts how they stand.

[scres]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Street legals are NOT legal on roads with a high speed limit like 441/27. I don't think that will solve it. Am I right or wrong on this?

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The previous poster referred to CROSSING 441/27 not DRIVING on 441/27. There is a difference!

[sdlutz70]

I have monitored the villages since I was in college. It is where I have always planned on retiring and am less than 1 year away. I tried to convince my mother 20 years ago to move their. Finally at 82 she did and the past 3 years have been the best of her life. Mr Schwartz would have never done this to his friends, He adopted Mr Morse and probably hoped he would continue to treat them as friends and not $ signs. I believe he is embarrassing his father who is probably rolling over in his grave.

[shcisamax]

I am rather surprised the Developer did not give notice of his intent to close the path. I do not know the legality of what he has done but I would have expected a small consideration for those who have made TV the place it is today. At minimum, he should have let people know...and not done it in the wink of an eye. I mean they certainly have enough information circulating about all the things they are building...

That said, people can scream and write graffitti and act like complete fools. OR they can get serious about this. TV Mayor has suggested some interesting tactics i.e. demonstrating outside sales offices, model centers, etc. What the Developer wants more than anything is to maintain the TV image of "Another Dream Comes True". Masses of humans with picket signs, a TV station and a newspaper doing a story on trouble in paradise, and the overall bad publicity might be enough to get him to explain himself and enter into some sort of productive conversation. But you have to be smart and get media onboard and you have to get an adequate turnout at whatever places you choose to take a stand.

Of course it would be nice to have a conversation with someone at the top to discuss why this has happened and what can be done about it to ensure those living on the Historic side are not deprived of their way of life.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by scres

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The previous poster referred to CROSSING 441/27 not DRIVING on 441/27. There is a difference!

I didn't understand that. Good. That would be a way, but then there is the financial issue of car insurance on a street legal.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by LyndaS

I didn’t want to comment until I finished reading all the posts (which took a while)… I am writing just to show my support to the folks over in the Historic Area. I am pretty surprised at the lack of empathy for our fellow Villagers. I would be very upset if all of a sudden a cart path that I used all the time was just blocked with no warning or explanation. Especially, where it also involves food shopping and doctor appointments! I think whoever is responsible is counting on letting some time go by and quietly sweeping it away. One of the reasons that I chose where I live is continued access to those necessities at a time when I may not be able to drive my car. I’m sure many of the people in the Historic area planned the same way.

While those of us int historic district certainly appreciate the support of those on the other our fellow Villagers on the other side of 27/441, everyone should be reminded that this also effect many people on that side as well. People from Del Mar, Spanish Springs, Chula Vista, Santiago and almost all of the villages north of 466 use this gate as well. Plenty of people from that side have used that gate to visit the medical facility, shop at Lowe's, Aldi or anyone of the 30 or so retail businesses on in that area by golf cart. They can no longer do so.

I'm sure that not many people come all the way from LSL or Malory or those villages south of 466 but many from the villages north of 466 do.

It's not just the historic district that being affected.

[jebartle]

Not on the road, just crossing roads with speed limits of 45 mph or less

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Street legals are NOT legal on roads with a high speed limit like 441/27. I don't think that will solve it. Am I right or wrong on this?

[red tail]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Not on the road, just crossing roads with speed limits of 45 mph or less

this is bad info. a street legal can drive on roads posted 45 or less. they can cross highways like 441 not drive on them. some roads posted 45 are not legal, like rolling acres.

[JeffAVEWS]

Concrete Curtain, I love it! The spirit of Churchill must be smiling!

[champion6]

CAUTION... It is illegal to use the grassy area along 27/441.

Link to story: Deputies warning golf carts on renegade route bypassing ' Berlin Wall'