[Peachie]

[QUOTE=njbchbum;725662]peachie - multi modal paths are private and maintained with our amenities...the roads are public...we are not a private gated community.

are you saying that folks from stonecrest and spruce creek south, lady lake, etc. are allowed to use the pools of the villages. or are you referring to the policies for resident non-owners or guests who live beyond the boundaries of our three counties to use select villages amenities? pray tell
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I didn't say The Villages was gated, I used enclosed to try to help you understand even though we are not totally private, we are supposed to have strict limits to public access in many areas.

[njbchbum]

[quote=Peachie;725669]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

peachie - multi modal paths are private and maintained with our amenities...the roads are public...we are not a private gated community.

are you saying that folks from stonecrest and spruce creek south, lady lake, etc. are allowed to use the pools of the villages. or are you referring to the policies for resident non-owners or guests who live beyond the boundaries of our three counties to use select villages amenities? pray tell
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I didn't say The Villages was gated, I used enclosed to try to help you understand even though we are not totally private, we are supposed to have strict limits to public access in many areas.

then please help me understand what strict limits are put on what public access in what areas. please be specific and not cryptic. thanx

[circletrack]

Hello, I lurk often but rarely post.

Several people have mentioned that parts of the cart path are dirt and run through private property. How would you as home and property owners feel if The Villages built a path leading into your front yard, inviting folks to drive right through your grass? They would be trespassing and you would be upset. Yet it seems in this case many are defending the trespassing that had been going on for years.

Yes this was handled terribly. And has been going on for way to long, but it's hard to argue legally against stopping people from driving though private property. There are all kinds of liability issues that could arise.

The police are issuing tickets to people driving through the grass at the front of the private buildings. How different is that from driving through the grass behind?

Just some food for thought. I too am awaiting an explanation. It is certainly deserved.

[Peachie]

[quote=njbchbum;725675]

Originally Posted by Peachie

then please help me understand what strict limits are put on what public access in what areas. please be specific and not cryptic. thanx

Nah, I'll leave cryptic to you... I'd suggest you speak with some of the people you are working with to keep the gap in the wall open and have them explain to you the areas of The Villages which are meant for The Villagers and not for communities that build on their periphery and try to tap into everything that the Morses have created.

Have a good evening, Njbchbum, this will work it's way out whether or not you and I agree. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree

[DonH57]

My question would be why was a previously paved path constructed as intended to be used as a cart path be suddenly be walled. It was'nt a roughly cut access by wear and tear of cart tires. I'm baffled as to what would possibly be gained by this blockage of access. Hopefully we will all learn more soon.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

From a legal standpoint he doesn't care if YOU make a decision to drive a cart where you are not supposed to be. But he does care if he paves an open path to that spot and basically INVITES you to be there. It's a legal distinction only. The wall,, as we know, isn't stopping anyone from getting to these locations but THEY make the decision to drive on private property and the TV developer doesn't condone it by making it easy and inviting.

thanx for your reply, russ - but - oy! what am i missing here?

property beyond the wall is not owned by the villages. some is owned by 'villages tri-county medical center, inc' and some by 'harbor chase village crossings'.

the wall does prevent travel to the medical offices of tri-county to which the path led and about which edv posted in # 415:
'6.Using aerial photographs from Google Earth, I can tell you that in 1999 the path through there appears to be just a dirt path. But in the 2004 photograph, Morse had paved his side with a divider and the Tri County Medical side installed a golf cart sized roundabout with pavers.'

so it seems to me that villagers have been either 'invited' or 'facilitated' to travel to those medical offices for quite some time. why is it decided to eliminate that 'invitation' now?

[njbchbum]

[quote=Peachie;725678]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Nah, I'll leave cryptic to you... I'd suggest you speak with some of the people you are working with to keep the gap in the wall open and have them explain to you the areas of The Villages which are meant for The Villagers and not for communities that build on their periphery and try to tap into everything that the Morses have created.

Have a good evening, Njbchbum, this will work it's way out whether or not you and I agree. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree

the last thing i try to be is cryptic. i have done just that, peachie - and none of them seem to share your point of view. that is why it is so important to me to get and to understand your explanations. please pm them to me if you do not wish to discuss here. i look forward to learning.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by circletrack

Hello, I lurk often but rarely post.

Several people have mentioned that parts of the cart path are dirt and run through private property. How would you as home and property owners feel if The Villages built a path leading into your front yard, inviting folks to drive right through your grass? They would be trespassing and you would be upset. Yet it seems in this case many are defending the trespassing that had been going on for years.

Yes this was handled terribly. And has been going on for way to long, but it's hard to argue legally against stopping people from driving though private property. There are all kinds of liability issues that could arise.

The police are issuing tickets to people driving through the grass at the front of the private buildings. How different is that from driving through the grass behind?

Just some food for thought. I too am awaiting an explanation. It is certainly deserved.

circletrack - have you read all of the posts? it sounds not. the dirt path under discussion runs thru property which does not belong to the villages. it belongs to an individual who has bent over backwards to insure that the path has remained available to residents of the villages and other communities. as such, travel over the path has been with permission and facilitation of that owner; which in turn negates any aspect of trespass. so too, does it apparently dismiss any concern for liability on the part of the land owner.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Yes. But can you drive a non street legal out of that gate? I don't know.

And even if you can you are on public roads not private property and there is already laws in place which govern what kind of public roads can be driven on by a golf cart.

Again it's a legal thing.

apparently we can drive our golf carts [and always have] out of the path and onto paradise dr because it is within the property of the villages - it is a main drag within the original development! we share the road with cars, bikes, motorcycles, joggers and walkers - without benefit of diamond lanes.

[jblum315]

According to what I've heard from Orange Blossom residents, the path has been closed at least one day a year, therefore no easement.

[graciegirl]

Problem resolved. Read this morning's Daily Sun. VHA President reports. Local Section. Developer will deed over area in front of gate for new gate and gate will disallow access to non villagers. ( I think, I will have to read it again)

Apparently as a result of meeting between VHA and developer.

You can make of that what you will....and some of us will make a lot of it.

Of course it made it appear that it was by negotiation of the VHA, but we all know who ultimately makes the decisions around here.

Much more will be said on that, and we pretty much know ahead of time WHO will say WHAT.

Good morning everyone. It is a lovely day in The Villages.

[Rickg]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Problem resolved. Read this morning's Daily Sun. VHA President reports. Local Section. Developer will deed over area in front of gate for new gate and gate will disallow access to non villagers. ( I think, I will have to read it again)

Apparently as a result of meeting between VHA and developer.

You can make of that what you will....and some of us will make a lot of it.

That is the way we seniors roll.

Can't find it. Could you copy and paste or give link?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Rickg

Can't find it. Could you copy and paste or give link?

I tried to post it in the only way I know how, to take a photo of it with my camera, but my camera battery chose this morning to die.

It is in Local. Article from VHA president. Says developer will deed over area in front of gate to VCDD (?) and new gate will be installed and only villagers can use it.

[N44125]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I tried to post it in the only way I know how, to take a photo of it with my camera, but my camera battery chose this morning to die.

It is in Local. Article from VHA president. Says developer will deed over area in front of gate to VCDD (?) and new gate will be installed and only villagers can use it.

Front page, upper left of the Local section.

HOWEVER,

Look at 9th word in the article....possible.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by N44125

Front page, upper left of the Local section.

HOWEVER,

Look at 9th word in the article....possible.

possible conclusion....is the wording. Then it shows how it will go. The developer will deed over the land. The VCDD will accept it and the gate will be built. Only VILLAGERS can use the gate...I think the word possible is journalistic wording.

Here is what my mother would have said on this conclusion.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

or..Any port in a storm.



I also have learned from her that a half a loaf is better than none and least said soonest mended and It will all come out in the wash and it isn't over until it's over. No. That's Yogi Berra.