[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Your post is filled with so many statement errors that it is difficult for a response. First, where in the world did you get the information that the Stone Crest residents would clog our parking lots ??? I have read dozens of postings from the historic side that state ther is no huge influx of golf carts from up north. And as to the orginal gate, it was not vandalized, it was ordered removed by the town of Lady Lake. Other than the "major" thoroughfares (Buena Vista for instance) anyone can travel almost anywhere in the Villages community using county highways and streets. These County facilities are not for the use of only Villages residents. Adding to the fact that that if a "Northern Visitor" has a street legal cart they legally can go anywhere in our community. . Well enough said.

Read through the posts, Warren.

As Winston noted already, previous posters indicated how the all of the extra car traffic from Stonecrest will impact The Villages, no error in that statement. Read through previous posts again and you will read from the long time residents how the former gate was damaged and vandalized almost constantly, no error in that statement. I didn't say the county streets and highways in The Villages weren't public, I encouraged Stonecrest to use those roadways and even to use their street legal carts to visit The Villages, no error in that statement.

I don't think it's a secret that you have a deep dislike of the developer and you may well have your reasons for that, Warren. But trying to color discussions which may be advantageous to the developer is not fair to the rest of us.


It doesn't make any difference how many golf carts from Stonecrest and other developments want to use The Villages soon to be gated, it appears, private entrance to access the private black top cart paths into Spanish Springs. From all indications, it was never the intent of the Morse's to open The Villages cart paths on private property to residents outside The Villages.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Regor

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Traffic is horrible here in the villages! Every car that doesn't come here, gives more space for carts. I think the developer should make it easier for all the neighboring communities to have easy access to The Villages by golf cart. Doesn't really matter who pays for the cart paths.

I think that comparing this to driving on states roads is like apples and oranges. This issue is about people transversing privately owned property.

I don't see the traffic here as being horrible. I don't know where you come from, but I have lived in places where traffic is horrible and even in the winter, the traffic here is not bad.

But what is interesting is that after stating that traffic is horrible, you go on to say that the Spanish Springs area is dying from lack of people going there. How can it be that there is too much traffic, not enough parking spaces because too many people are going there and yet it is dying from lack of people going there?

First of all, I don't see where the Spanish Springs area is dying. It is a little slower now that the summer is here, but I think it is far from dying. But you are trying to make a point by arguing to opposing views.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Regor

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Traffic is horrible here in the villages! Every car that doesn't come here, gives more space for carts. I think the developer should make it easier for all the neighboring communities to have easy access to The Villages by golf cart. Doesn't really matter who pays for the cart paths.

regor: In all due respect the golf cart paths are private and residents pay for them. The multi-modal paths are heavy with traffic flow now and in prime season look like I-4. Imagine what they will look like when the build out is complete. So additional traffic from outsiders only exacerbates a major problem now. Please this is not children bickering this is adults saying enough.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

According to this website, there are 2,200 homes in Stonecrest.

Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida

And according to this website, there ate 3250 homes in Spruce Creek.

Home

I wasn't aware that you could get to the Villages by golf cart from Spruce Creek. It seems a very long way.

The spruce creek online link is for Del Webb Spruce Creek not Spruce Creek across 441/27 from Stonecrest (and adjacent to TV).

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[rubicon]

I am having a delayed reaction here to the Jusjac's post claiming I posted in the *************.com. I only know of the village news from information sent to me by other posters but I do not utilize that service and I certainly never posted on it.

Either someone used my name in vain, or jusjac is mistaken about the username or someone is intentionally trying to damage my name. The more I think about this situation the more upset I become.

As to this thread I have held the same position and that is in favor of the wall and upset about all the unnecessary publicity when working through channels could have resolved this issue to everyone's satisfaction.

[Arctic Fox]

...there are 2,200 homes in Stonecrest.

...there are 3250 homes in Spruce Creek.


Thank you, Doctor

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

The spruce creek online link is for Del Webb Spruce Creek not Spruce Creek across 441/27 from Stonecrest (and adjacent to TV).

Any idea how many homes in the 441/27 one, chuckinca?

thanks

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Read through the posts, Warren.

As Winston noted already, previous posters indicated how the all of the extra car traffic from Stonecrest will impact The Villages, no error in that statement. Read through previous posts again and you will read from the long time residents how the former gate was damaged and vandalized almost constantly, no error in that statement. I didn't say the county streets and highways in The Villages weren't public, I encouraged Stonecrest to use those roadways and even to use their street legal carts to visit The Villages, no error in that statement.

I don't think it's a secret that you have a deep dislike of the developer and you may well have your reasons for that, Warren. But trying to color discussions which may be advantageous to the developer is not fair to the rest of us.


It doesn't make any difference how many golf carts from Stonecrest and other developments want to use The Villages soon to be gated, it appears, private entrance to access the private black top cart paths into Spanish Springs. From all indications, it was never the intent of the Morse's to open The Villages cart paths on private property to residents outside The Villages.

In Warren's defense, I believe that most of the posts claiming that closing the gate will lead to traffic and parking problems are in the other thread on this subject.

Perhaps the moderator would consider merging the three threads that now exist on the same subject.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Justjac

I'm confused, Rubicon. On TOTV, you blast those who protested the wall... Yet, on *************.com you post the following:

By Rubicon:
"Great move? Cause a major confrontation? Create confusion and hardships galore for the people on the historic side? Just so he could get someone else to build a gate?
Get real, he wanted to hurt the businesses in that area, even made promises to do such in board rooms when thwarted on his new Brownwood hospital. Now the people of this area went to bat for all villagers in stopping the decline of service in the older areas of the villages. He does not care about the non sales side of his village. To him it just costs, as for outsiders using our amenities, yes they do now, especially since the watch stopped scanning at the pools. I haven’t brought my card to the pool in 3 years.
If he’d gotten away with this how long before the cart trail in Vail Verde to the driving range was closed? How long before those golf courses were closed or maintenance reduced? This is the path that developer you worship has been on in the historic side for the past few years.
Well done to the villagers that stood up and flashed Comrade Morse the bird on this one. Keep in mind the wall is still there and as much progress as seems to have been made he can still walk away from the table if the protests stop and he’s not hurt further.'

Could you link this directly.

Rubicon says he didn't write it and has never posted on The Village news and I know Rubicon to be an honest man.

Someone MUST be using the screen name Rubicon on The Village news. I won't post on it for that reason.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Any idea how many homes in the 441/27 one, chuckinca?

thanks

1600 in Spruce Creek South

[PennBF]

I believe it is both prudent and correct to assume the Developer did not get fined $40M just over "mold". Also, in a response there was no mention regarding the establishment of the VHA and it being a penalty to the POA for supporting the residents? Fairness is critical when writing and asserting any point. There must be limits to using omissions to avoid "reality".

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I believe it is both prudent and correct to assume the Developer did not get fined $40M just over "mold". Also, in a response there was no mention regarding the establishment of the VHA and it being a penalty to the POA for supporting the residents? Fairness is critical when writing and asserting any point. There must be limits to using omissions to avoid "reality".

I wasn't there. Fairness IS critical when writing and asserting any point.

That articles says that those involved were muzzled. We will never really know, but there is a back story somewhere.

I know Sumter County has been much more hospitable to The Villages than Lake.

How many places did they try to have the case heard? So much about this whole thing is not clear to me.

I wish SOMEONE would write an honest history of The Villages.

Skip? Where are you when we need you?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

The spruce creek online link is for Del Webb Spruce Creek not Spruce Creek across 441/27 from Stonecrest (and adjacent to TV).

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Sorry, I forgot that there are two different Spruce Creeks. That also answers my question about golf carts getting here from Spruce Creek.

The people from Spruce Creek on the west bound side of 27/441 do not have to use the Paradise gate to enter the Villages as far as I can tell.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

In Warren's defense, I believe that most of the posts claiming that closing the gate will lead to traffic and parking problems are in the other thread on this subject.

Perhaps the moderator would consider merging the three threads that now exist on the same subject.

Sorry. There are currently three different threads on this same subject. I obviously forgot which one I was in. The posts referred to are indeed in this thread.

[Justjac]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Could you link this directly.

Rubicon says he didn't write it and has never posted on The Village news and I know Rubicon to be an honest man.

Someone MUST be using the screen name Rubicon on The Village news. I won't post on it for that reason.

Gracie: Here's the link...
'Take Down the Wall' protest - **************

I did not post the message to hurt Rubicon...was just confused as to it's content as it seems to be quite the opposite of his TOTV post. Hope he finds the culprit who is using his moniker.