[RCT]

Originally Posted by WesternGolfers

Plan on moving to the villages soon. We planned on playing often
on the executives and once a week on a championships course.
Have seen discussions of the tee time system,difficulty in getting tee times
and have just encountered the "point system". Could someone enlighten me?
Are our plans to play often pie in the sky? Thanks to anyone with information.

No, you won't have any problem. If you follow the rules, and aren't too "picky" about exact times to play, you will have no problem.

[Ooper]

WewsternGolfers... clicking on the following link should answer most of your questions...

http://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-...heVillages.pdf

[SABRMnLgs]

This is a question coming at you from the opposite side of the fence. The way I understand it, people are upset because others who are outsiders get to play golf (mostly for free?). They pay no golf fees as they do not live here??

I don't play golf, softball, pickleball, tennis, use the squares, pools, trails, etc and very seldom go to a rec center. Any of these folks can use what I have to pay (amenities) since I very, very seldom use them. Guess what I'm trying to say is, you should only have to pay for what you need or use. Now I
know this would cause holy havoc in enforcing it. But shouldn't amenity fees be based on what only I use? Not for someone who plays golf or softball.? I have to pay out my money for stuff I will never use. So let one of the lamebrains use my stuff. Since it is already paid for and I'll never use.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by SABRMnLgs

This is a question coming at you from the opposite side of the fence. The way I understand it, people are upset because others who are outsiders get to play golf (mostly for free?). They pay no golf fees as they do not live here??

I don't play golf, softball, pickleball, tennis, use the squares, pools, trails, etc and very seldom go to a rec center. Any of these folks can use what I have to pay (amenities) since I very, very seldom use them. Guess what I'm trying to say is, you should only have to pay for what you need or use. Now I
know this would cause holy havoc in enforcing it. But shouldn't amenity fees be based on what only I use? Not for someone who plays golf or softball.? I have to pay out my money for stuff I will never use. So let one of the lamebrains use my stuff. Since it is already paid for and I'll never use.

You knew all that when you bought.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by SABRMnLgs

The way I understand it, people are upset because others who are outsiders get to play golf (mostly for free?). They pay no golf fees as they do not live here?

Don't see how they can play for free unless they have a bogus ID and a photo ID that matches the bogus Villages ID.

When I was there for two weeks I played on both the execs and the CC's many times and was always asked to show both. In the pro shop (on the CC's) and the starter shack.

[katezbox]

People aren't upset because others get to play golf for free...

...except that some did not like that many tee times were reserved for folks on Lifestyles. The developer settled a lawsuit that agrees to limit this.

What most people are upset about - in this thread at least - is someone who does the following. Sabr - let's say that you and I are neighbors. I want to play at 10 on Heron on a Saturday, and I would like my daughter, who does not live in TV to play with us. When I request the tee time, chances are I won't get one during the busy season because I have a guest. This would also be true if one of our foursome had a lot of points due to frequent play and/or cancellations.

So... here's where you come in. Since you aren't a golfer, you have no points and you are a Villager. I ask for your number and make a tee time request with your number and no guests. Once I get the tee time, I swap my daughter (or friend with high points) in place of you. You get a point, but since you don't golf, what do you care?

This scam is not allowed, but goes on constantly.

k

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by katezbox

People aren't upset because others get to play golf for free...

...except that some did not like that many tee times were reserved for folks on Lifestyles. The developer settled a lawsuit that agrees to limit this.

What most people are upset about - in this thread at least - is someone who does the following. Sabr - let's say that you and I are neighbors. I want to play at 10 on Heron on a Saturday, and I would like my daughter, who does not live in TV to play with us. When I request the tee time, chances are I won't get one during the busy season because I have a guest. This would also be true if one of our foursome had a lot of points due to frequent play and/or cancellations.

So... here's where you come in. Since you aren't a golfer, you have no points and you are a Villager. I ask for your number and make a tee time request with your number and no guests. Once I get the tee time, I swap my daughter (or friend with high points) in place of you. You get a point, but since you don't golf, what do you care?

This scam is not allowed, but goes on constantly.

k

Do that a few too many times and you will be getting a phone call.

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Do that a few too many times and you will be getting a phone call.

Bogie,

I hear you. I know how it is done because I have heard these folk 1. brag about beating the system or 2. complain that with visiting kids/grandkids it is the only way they get a tee time.

It is not something I have done or plan to do. I was replying to Sabr's post that he thought the beef in this thread was about people getting "free" golf. It isn't. The beef is about people cheating the system as in my illustration.

Also, I agree completely with your post on graduated amenities fees. Those who do not golf, swim , play tennis or pickleball etc. knew about the amenity fee and what it supports when they bought here. Reminds of folks in Connecticut who built in a town that still has some family farms. These people wanted to live in the country but wanted the farmers to get rid of the roosters (too noisy!) and the cows (too smelly!).

[Muncle]

We have a bit of a problem with an eight-some we play on an Exec course one afternoon a week. Like most groups of eight, we actually have 10-11 regulars but with vacations, MD appts, etc., we're usually right at 8 by tee time -- sometimes we even have to scramble (no pun intended) for a player or two. One of our most reliables, however, has a problem. He also has a regular game with old friends every week on that morning. (I think these are the only times he plays all week on the Execs, but that really doesn't matter.) So, we cannot put him in the request. Is it wrong to use 8 other regular members for the request, then sub him on the reservation for someone (oh, surprise, Tom's arm is still broken so he won't be playing) that we likely knew was not going to make it? Technically, it probably is. Morally, I really kinda doubt it.



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[diskman]

Originally Posted by Muncle

We have a bit of a problem with an eight-some we play on an Exec course one afternoon a week. Like most groups of eight, we actually have 10-11 regulars but with vacations, MD appts, etc., we're usually right at 8 by tee time -- sometimes we even have to scramble (no pun intended) for a player or two. One of our most reliables, however, has a problem. He also has a regular game with old friends every week on that morning. (I think these are the only times he plays all week on the Execs, but that really doesn't matter.) So, we cannot put him in the request. Is it wrong to use 8 other regular members for the request, then sub him on the reservation for someone (oh, surprise, Tom's arm is still broken so he won't be playing) that we likely knew was not going to make it? Technically, it probably is. Morally, I really kinda doubt it.



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As I do not play yet I do not know the answer to this question.
If you book for 8 and only 7 show up to play, why is that an issue? Why do you have to add someone?

[Russ_Boston]

Still seems like you're not abiding by the letter or the spirit of the rules. It would be nice if you could add some sort of 'group' invitations but under current rules that doesn't seem possible. In off-season who cares but in-season maybe some do.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Muncle

We have a bit of a problem with an eight-some we play on an Exec course one afternoon a week. Like most groups of eight, we actually have 10-11 regulars but with vacations, MD appts, etc., we're usually right at 8 by tee time -- sometimes we even have to scramble (no pun intended) for a player or two. One of our most reliables, however, has a problem. He also has a regular game with old friends every week on that morning. (I think these are the only times he plays all week on the Execs, but that really doesn't matter.) So, we cannot put him in the request. Is it wrong to use 8 other regular members for the request, then sub him on the reservation for someone (oh, surprise, Tom's arm is still broken so he won't be playing) that we likely knew was not going to make it? Technically, it probably is. Morally, I really kinda doubt it.



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If he is able to play why not put him in the request?

[villages07]

.... because you can only put in one advanced request for a person for a given day.

In Muncle's scenario, this fella is in two groups that play the same day (obviously at non overlapping times). He can only be in an advanced request for one of the groups.

In the 3-day out reservation (i.e. open tee times) part of the system, you could book yourself all day long into open spots, as long as times don't overlap.

[Muncle]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Still seems like you're not abiding by the letter or the spirit of the rules. It would be nice if you could add some sort of 'group' invitations but under current rules that doesn't seem possible. In off-season who cares but in-season maybe some do.

Russ, the system does have a "group" capability that I dearly love in that I can go in and select X courses and put a reasonable time span. Then I can list 8 (or 12) players by name and number. The system automatically puts us in 2 or 3 consecutive tee times on the same course, dividing the players by the order in which they were submitted. During high season, we had no problem getting the eight-some in every week, generally getting FDR, Truman, Bacall, or Bogie, our favorite courses anyway. During Spring, we expanded to 12-somes a couple times and had no problem, but I don't know how successful we would be with 12 in high season.

Re the question about why we want to have full foursomes/eightsomes, we play a very relaxed scramble and there's always a chance that if we were to pick up a walk-on spare at the course, he might not appreciate our demeanor and why ruin someone's outing. If we play with one team having only 3 players, we work around that with extra shots. But nobody really cares who wins after the first 3 minutes of bragging are over.



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