[daniel200]

As of Jan 31, Concealed weapon permits in the counties that include the Villages

Lake Co … 64,469
Marion Co … 56542
Sumter Co … 13875

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

Is constitutional carry concealed carry, or open carry, for, as the song says, “all the honest world to see”?

Concealed (at least in FL...)

Florida Constitutional Carry: House Speaker announces legislation allowing concealed guns without permits | WFLA

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

& no carrying in a bar............drinking or not.

Where is the fun in that? As a kid watching old western movies, I used to imagine stomping into a saloon with a big iron strapped to my hip, lean on the bar, and in a deep and gravelly voice say," gimme a shot of redeye, Jasper".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The NRA was not founded as a hunting organization and has never been focused on hunting. Here is an explanation of why the organization was founded.

A Brief History of the NRA | National Rifle Association

Sorry, but I PERSONALLY know for a fact that from after WW2 to about 1970 all the articles in the NRAs magazine (and Outdoor Life, to which I had about 15 years worth of subscriptions to )( and Field and Stream magazine) were EXCLUSIVELY about HUNTING not hunting humans and paintball BS. I had ZERO interest in Soldier of Fortune type TRASH magazines - I was strictly interested in fishing and bird and small and big game HUNTING.
........Then about 1970 for some reason young (stupid) MEN stopped NORMAL old-school hunting and started doing BS things like PLAY hunting each other with PAINTBALL toys.
..........The GUN MAKERS got twerped-out and PANICKED about profits FALLING. So they found some way to PROPAGANDIZE the newer generation into BUYING real guns not TOY paintball guns. Their method was to change the emphasis in the HUNTING magazines INTO jerk-type Soldier of Fortune-type magazines and push their VERY EXPENSIVE military-style rifles with silencers, front vibrating dampeners, military optics, semi-auto, BIG, BIG, stupid USELESS magazine-type ADULT TOY GUNS. What a joke .........big men have big magazines - sounds and looks like a phallic symbol to boost their SAGGING LABIDOES.
.........Another humorous thing about Paintball game participants........our generation played TAG and relieveo when we were KIDS. The paintball thing is like ADULTS (supposedly grown MEN) playing a stupid version of TAG OR TAB. And they pay BIG money for their PAINT GUNS and they waste TIME doing it and probably AFTERWARD go get some beers and tell each other what BRAVE SOLDIERS they are. What do I expect from a generation raised on JOHN WAYNE movies and Clint Eastwood.........The Good the Bad and the PAINTBALL ugly !!!!!!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, but I PERSONALLY know for a fact that from after WW2 to about 1970 all the articles in the NRAs magazine (and Outdoor Life, to which I had about 15 years worth of subscriptions to )( and Field and Stream magazine) were EXCLUSIVELY about HUNTING not hunting humans and paintball BS. I had ZERO interest in Soldier of Fortune type TRASH magazines - I was strictly interested in fishing and bird and small and big game HUNTING.
........Then about 1970 for some reason young (stupid) MEN stopped NORMAL old-school hunting and started doing BS things like PLAY hunting each other with PAINTBALL toys.
..........The GUN MAKERS got twerped-out and PANICKED about profits FALLING. So they found some way to PROPAGANDIZE the newer generation into BUYING real guns not TOY paintball guns. Their method was to change the emphasis in the HUNTING magazines INTO jerk-type Soldier of Fortune-type magazines and push their VERY EXPENSIVE military-style rifles with silencers, front vibrating dampeners, military optics, semi-auto, BIG, BIG, stupid USELESS magazine-type ADULT TOY GUNS. What a joke .........big men have big magazines - sounds and looks like a phallic symbol to boost their SAGGING LABIDOES.
.........Another humorous thing about Paintball game participants........our generation played TAG and relieveo when we were KIDS. The paintball thing is like ADULTS (supposedly grown MEN) playing a stupid version of TAG OR TAB. And they pay BIG money for their PAINT GUNS and they waste TIME doing it and probably AFTERWARD go get some beers and tell each other what BRAVE SOLDIERS they are. What do I expect from a generation raised on JOHN WAYNE movies and Clint Eastwood.........The Good the Bad and the PAINTBALL ugly !!!!!!

I can't remember seeing a SINGLE article in an NRA publication regarding paintball. Not one...

The NRA has nothing to do with "Soldier of Fortune" magazine...

And for a guy who mocks people for using "Loose" when they mean "Lose", one would think you'd be able to look up the word "Libido...

P.S. No one makes a "Silencer" for a gun... You watch too many movies (must be where you get you information about firearms...)

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=Cybersprings;2189456]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, but that is a little like the chicken and the egg controversy.......WHICH one came FIRST? MAYBE NOW, today people may feel a NEED to carry a gun, but it happened AFTER the NRA captured the US government to produce giant PROFITS for the Gun industry OWNERS. And the "LITTLE PEOPLE" suffered the consequences.
........If one remembers back to between WW2 and 1960 the NRA was a HUNTING organization not A HUNTING HUMANS and killing humans organization. AND my Grandfather and father had HUNTING animals-type guns NOT semi-auto 30-round magazine, human-killing $3,000 military-style weapons of WAR ! And you-all will remember that MURDERS were few and far between back then. And the demented MASS-murder scene of TODAY did NOT even exist.
.........Which came 1st the MAN killings or the MAN killing weapons? I KNOW that I know![/

Sometimes I wonder if the TOTV should provide some sort of test before allowing folks to post

From the sound of it that PREFERRED test would be one that passes people that think a certain way. And would exclude ALL others that think the OPPOSITE way.
........For example, say that most people in Bubble Land would vote for (so-called)(which I would call DESTRUCTIVE to general and local SOCIETY and promoting VIOLENCE) Constitutional carry. Then, those who say, "NO, NO, that is a TERRIBLE idea" would have to be SILENCED.
..........It is my hope that people can see what this is - namely a 1st step toward a Fascist State. !st arm as many people as possible, then rile them up with violent oratory, and then have them attack some physical area, and then declare martial law. And BINGO the US gets a government like in Russia and China.
...........They say that a Country's people GET the government they DESERVE, so EVERYONE carry those MILITARY-STYLE guns and have "Constitutional carry" and watch your Country descend into violence and Fascism. Enjoy......I hope that I am NOT too old to make it to Canada.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Depends on the state, I would think.

But here in Florida, according to an article in the Tallahassee Democrat, January 20, 2023: "Under permitless carry legislation, a person who legally owns a firearm may carry it in public, visibly or concealed, at almost any time or place, without training, registration or government licensing. Simple as that."

As worded - that means that Fl becomes the wild west where MIGHT makes RIGHT and to FEAR the quick-tempered individual with the FASTEST DRAW.
.........What a beautiful FUTURE this PORTENDS !

[ckcapaul]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, but I PERSONALLY know for a fact that from after WW2 to about 1970 all the articles in the NRAs magazine (and Outdoor Life, to which I had about 15 years worth of subscriptions to )( and Field and Stream magazine) were EXCLUSIVELY about HUNTING not hunting humans and paintball BS. I had ZERO interest in Soldier of Fortune type TRASH magazines - I was strictly interested in fishing and bird and small and big game HUNTING.
........Then about 1970 for some reason young (stupid) MEN stopped NORMAL old-school hunting and started doing BS things like PLAY hunting each other with PAINTBALL toys.
..........The GUN MAKERS got twerped-out and PANICKED about profits FALLING. So they found some way to PROPAGANDIZE the newer generation into BUYING real guns not TOY paintball guns. Their method was to change the emphasis in the HUNTING magazines INTO jerk-type Soldier of Fortune-type magazines and push their VERY EXPENSIVE military-style rifles with silencers, front vibrating dampeners, military optics, semi-auto, BIG, BIG, stupid USELESS magazine-type ADULT TOY GUNS. What a joke .........big men have big magazines - sounds and looks like a phallic symbol to boost their SAGGING LABIDOES.
.........Another humorous thing about Paintball game participants........our generation played TAG and relieveo when we were KIDS. The paintball thing is like ADULTS (supposedly grown MEN) playing a stupid version of TAG OR TAB. And they pay BIG money for their PAINT GUNS and they waste TIME doing it and probably AFTERWARD go get some beers and tell each other what BRAVE SOLDIERS they are. What do I expect from a generation raised on JOHN WAYNE movies and Clint Eastwood.........The Good the Bad and the PAINTBALL ugly !!!!!!

Pesky Facts Paintball
The game was invented in May 1981 in New Hampshire by Hayes Noel, a Wall Street stock trader, and Charles Gaines, an outdoorsman and writer

[fishon]

Sheriff Grady Judd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UP1tOCtHo0

[snbrafford]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

The Florida legislature is even now considering "constitutional carry" (House Bill 543, Companion Senate Bill 150) for the state of Florida. Briefly stated, constitutional carry would allow any Floridian of legal age and not otherwise forbidden to own a firearm, to carry one in public without having to obtain a permit to do so. The current permitting system would remain in effect however for those who wish to access it, most probably because of reciprocity agreements between Florida and other states.

What many people don't realize is how common constitutional carry is in America. Fully half the states already allow it. Besides Florida, the states of Nebraska, South Carolina, and New Mexico are also considering going that route as well.

I confess to being of two minds on the issue. After all, it is called "Constitutional carry" for a reason. But merely OWNING a gun does not guarantee that the owner will be able to USE it in a lawful and safe manner. The current system in Florida does provide a way to assure that a permit holder has demonstrated at least a minimum knowledge of the law as well as showing he/she has basic skills in how to use a firearm in a self-defense situation.

Is this something we want to see come to The Villages?

It's a sad state of affairs in this country when more people want to carry a gun for their own safety. I sometimes feel that way too when you hear of shooting just about anywhere - even when just out shopping you might be in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, I do agree that we should use existing carry permitting to ensure some kind of fire arm ability.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by daniel200

As of Jan 31, Concealed weapon permits in the counties that include the Villages

Lake Co … 64,469
Marion Co … 56542
Sumter Co … 13875

& one of the safest places to live

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As worded - that means that Fl becomes the wild west where MIGHT makes RIGHT and to FEAR the quick-tempered individual with the FASTEST DRAW.
.........What a beautiful FUTURE this PORTENDS !

History would indicate otherwise.

In Minnesota, it has been "open carry" since the inception of permits to carry. Some carried openly. I never did; the only person who needed to know I was carrying was me. Others were not as circumspect: I recall rallies at the State Capitol where people rode in the backs of pickups in a motorcade ringing the capital building and grounds, brandishing AR-15s for all to see, and open carry at 2nd Amendment rallies was just how it was done. But it was never "wild west"--even though that was the precise same rhetoric that the alarmists employed back in 2003 when permit-to-carry went into effect up there.

The bad guys don't care. They'll carry wherever and whenever; they're outside the law anyway. But people who are exercising a freedom just don't seem to do so irresponsibly, in Minnesota or, I'm pretty sure, in Florida either. Respect for law, among the law-abiding, goes deeper than that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

History would indicate otherwise.

In Minnesota, it has been "open carry" since the inception of permits to carry. Some carried openly. I never did; the only person who needed to know I was carrying was me. Others were not as circumspect: I recall rallies at the State Capitol where people rode in the backs of pickups in a motorcade ringing the capital building and grounds, brandishing AR-15s for all to see, and open carry at 2nd Amendment rallies was just how it was done. But it was never "wild west"--even though that was the precise same rhetoric that the alarmists employed back in 2003 when permit-to-carry went into effect up there.

The bad guys don't care. They'll carry wherever and whenever; they're outside the law anyway. But people who are exercising a freedom just don't seem to do so irresponsibly, in Minnesota or, I'm pretty sure, in Florida either. Respect for law, among the law-abiding, goes deeper than that.

There are 2 divergent sentences in that post. " Never the wild, west". And then right before that, "brandishing a AR 15. If someone IS BRANDISHING a weapon then practically by definition, they are trying to intimidate another human being. That IS just WRONG to me and at the same level as a stupid BULLY in 6th grade.
..........And the TV has shown plenty of these low-life, low-IQ types in both Wisconsin and Minnesota. And in one of those states they planned to CAPTURE their lady Governor. Were they JUST going to brandish her?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And the TV has shown plenty of these low-life, low-IQ types in both Wisconsin and Minnesota. And in one of those states they planned to CAPTURE their lady Governor. Were they JUST going to brandish her?

That was Michigan. Get your facts straight!

[Boston-Sean]

Just wait for this to come to TV. Sounds like everyone should be carrying. Maybe get a gun rack installed on your golf cart.

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