[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"The Wild West"... IT NEVER HAPPENED!

Yes it did! I watched it on the televisions and in the movie theaters.

That was the only place the west was wild.

[Sorrento19]

Soo how long has the Villages been here? When has this happened in the last 50 years here in TV?

[Lindsyburnsy]

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

How would you stop it from coming to TV? There are thousands of CWFLs in TV now. On any night you could have people carrying at the town Square (25/50) or any place else in TV. It's here.

I might worry slightly less if I knew everybody that owned a firearm was properly trained with a thorough background check and safely stored. That's just a bar too high.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

I might worry slightly less if I knew everybody that owned a firearm was properly trained with a thorough background check and safely stored. That's just a bar too high.

I get your point, and agree with "properly trained." However, that does not make a responsible or sensible person by itself. When I was in Junior High/Middle school we had a gun club sponsored by the school and we brought our rifles in and shot targets. We had NRA instruction/instructors that taught gun safety.
As for your point regarding "safely stored" I concur with that IF/IF your guns are stored, ie. spare guns. If you carry a gun for self defense or keep one in the home for self defense, it is not going to be safely stored. But, I do get your point. I taught my children at a very young age, gun safety and allowed them to shoot my firearms with my supervision. One of my children used to shoot competitively on the weekends, and has a very nice shooting range on the property. One of my children uses an indoor local range and a range sponsored by the state parks. My grandchildren (some of them) hunt during season. There have been no accidents in my family (knock on wood or praise GOD).
The saying has been worn out, but still relevant: "Guns do not kill people, people kill people." Even with a new gun carry law, the federal background check will still be required to purchase a firearm.

[HRDave]

As of 01/31/23, according to the FDAACS Division of Licensing, the number of concealed carry holders in the area of The Villages is:
Sumter County - 13,875
Lake County - 64,469
Marion County - 56,542

Rest Assured Villagers, at any given time there is a large number of concealed carriers in your immediate area.
Still No Wild West Shoot Outs!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by HRDave

As of 01/31/23, according to the FDAACS Division of Licensing, the number of concealed carry holders in the area of The Villages is:
Sumter County - 13,875
Lake County - 64,469
Marion County - 56,542

Rest Assured Villagers, at any given time there is a large number of concealed carriers in your immediate area.
Still No Wild West Shoot Outs!

Gotta wonder if those permit numbers in Sumter, Lake and Marion Counties is an accurate representation of the number of people here who actually carry. Florida has reciprocity agreements with a lot of states and if you have a valid permit from one of those states you can legally carry in Florida.

At any rate it looks as if Constitutional Carry in Florida is on track to become law. As I understand it the House Judiciary Committee approved the bill 17-6 and it now goes to the full House for floor discussion. The Governor as I understand it has already indicated that it will get his signature if the Legislature approves it.

[Hardlyworking]

I had a carry permit in TN. I didn’t carry a gun everywhere I went, only to certain places. I doubt I will carry anywhere in TV but going outside, I will definitely carry one. After I took the class and passed both the classroom part and the qualifying, I paid the instructor for additional lessons on shooting in different situations and also situational awareness. The latter will sometimes help you more than having a gun.

Carrying a gun is a pain in the arse. There is no real comfortable position to carry one. Also, carrying a gun large enough to do you any good beyond 10’ makes it much worse. My carry weapon is a Ruger LCP .380. Small, but wildly inaccurate beyond 10’. I have big hands which makes it even harder to use the gun.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I get your point, and agree with "properly trained." However, that does not make a responsible or sensible person by itself. When I was in Junior High/Middle school we had a gun club sponsored by the school and we brought our rifles in and shot targets. We had NRA instruction/instructors that taught gun safety.
As for your point regarding "safely stored" I concur with that IF/IF your guns are stored, ie. spare guns. If you carry a gun for self defense or keep one in the home for self defense, it is not going to be safely stored. But, I do get your point. I taught my children at a very young age, gun safety and allowed them to shoot my firearms with my supervision. One of my children used to shoot competitively on the weekends, and has a very nice shooting range on the property. One of my children uses an indoor local range and a range sponsored by the state parks. My grandchildren (some of them) hunt during season. There have been no accidents in my family (knock on wood or praise GOD).
The saying has been worn out, but still relevant: "Guns do not kill people, people kill people." Even with a new gun carry law, the federal background check will still be required to purchase a firearm.

Fans of the NRA may think that, "the WORN OUT" singsong is still RELEVANT, but not everyone BUYS into that propaganda. But, it makes the NRA and the Gun Makers LOTS of BIG money PROFITS, so we should NOT CARE if a few LITTLE people are killed because the US of A is # 1 by far in gun ownership on planet EARTH. Just forget those little people, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Go back to watching the mind-numbing TV channel of choice by the Propagandists.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Gotta wonder if those permit numbers in Sumter, Lake and Marion Counties is an accurate representation of the number of people here who actually carry. Florida has reciprocity agreements with a lot of states and if you have a valid permit from one of those states you can legally carry in Florida.

At any rate it looks as if Constitutional Carry in Florida is on track to become law. As I understand it the House Judiciary Committee approved the bill 17-6 and it now goes to the full House for floor discussion. The Governor as I understand it has already indicated that it will get his signature if the Legislature approves it.

It IS so important that it should be voted on like a referendum on the next major election by ALL the people of Florida that go to the polls. I don't TRUST the Florida legislation to do the RIGHT THING.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

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.....I would be fine with non-concealed carry, BUT..........a big BUT.......if I were in charge of the US, I would require all guns sold to civilians to be SINGLE-SHOT (EVEN including pistols). That way there could be very few MASS MURDERS.

The problem with this is that all multi shot guns would then be owned by criminals. If you think that by passing a law, we are going to prevent crimes, you're wrong. Laws don't prevent crimes, they simply define what crime is and provide punishment for breaking the law.

We already have laws against killing people. Do you think that gang bangers and other criminals are going to follow the law and only get single shot guns? if they are willing to break other laws then they'll be willing to break this one.


Does anyone think that multi shot guns wouldn't be available? Just look at states like California where they have laws restricting magazine capacity. They still have mass murders by people carrying more capacity than the law allows.

Does anyone know if this proposed law is going to allow open carry or would it be concealed only?

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

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The problem with this is that all multi shot guns would then be owned by criminals. If you think that by passing a law, we are going to prevent crimes, you're wrong. Laws don't prevent crimes, they simply define what crime is and provide punishment for breaking the law.

We already have laws against killing people. Do you think that gang bangers and other criminals are going to follow the law and only get single shot guns? if they are willing to break other laws then they'll be willing to break this one.


Does anyone think that multi shot guns wouldn't be available? Just look at states like California where they have laws restricting magazine capacity. They still have mass murders by people carrying more capacity than the law allows.

Does anyone know if this proposed law is going to allow open carry or would it be concealed only?

I think it is concealed carry only, but I didn’t read the entire bill.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...Text/Filed/PDF

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Fans of the NRA may think that, "the WORN OUT" singsong is still RELEVANT, but not everyone BUYS into that propaganda. But, it makes the NRA and the Gun Makers LOTS of BIG money PROFITS, so we should NOT CARE if a few LITTLE people are killed because the US of A is # 1 by far in gun ownership on planet EARTH. Just forget those little people, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Go back to watching the mind-numbing TV channel of choice by the Propagandists.

Not everyone buys into YOUR propaganda, either...

Go back to watching the mind numbing TV channel of choice by YOUR Propagandists...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Fans of the NRA may think that, "the WORN OUT" singsong is still RELEVANT, but not everyone BUYS into that propaganda. But, it makes the NRA and the Gun Makers LOTS of BIG money PROFITS, so we should NOT CARE if a few LITTLE people are killed because the US of A is # 1 by far in gun ownership on planet EARTH. Just forget those little people, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Go back to watching the mind-numbing TV channel of choice by the Propagandists.

What "propaganda?"
How does the NRA make "lots of big money?"
What "little people" are you speaking of? Leprechauns? Dwarfs?
Is there something wrong with the USA having the most guns? We also have the most TVs in our homes. Is that going to make us dangerous?
What "mind-numbing TV channel" are you speaking of?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

I had a carry permit in TN. I didn’t carry a gun everywhere I went, only to certain places. I doubt I will carry anywhere in TV but going outside, I will definitely carry one. After I took the class and passed both the classroom part and the qualifying, I paid the instructor for additional lessons on shooting in different situations and also situational awareness. The latter will sometimes help you more than having a gun.

Carrying a gun is a pain in the arse. There is no real comfortable position to carry one. Also, carrying a gun large enough to do you any good beyond 10’ makes it much worse. My carry weapon is a Ruger LCP .380. Small, but wildly inaccurate beyond 10’. I have big hands which makes it even harder to use the gun.

The LCP fits nicely in the back pocket. It's easy to get used to it IF/IF one wears it all the time, like one would carry a wallet. I figure that if I have to hit someone that is over 10" away, they are most likely not a major threat. I carry for self defense, not to get involved in a gun fight. These are just my thoughts, not that I am disagreeing with you. My daughter carries an LCP also and it is compact enough for most folks to carry it without a second thought. It's just my opinion, but I think the LCP is one of the best CCW pistols of choice, considering how easy it is to carry concealed.

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The LCP fits nicely in the back pocket. It's easy to get used to it IF/IF one wears it all the time, like one would carry a wallet. I figure that if I have to hit someone that is over 10" away, they are most likely not a major threat. I carry for self defense, not to get involved in a gun fight. These are just my thoughts, not that I am disagreeing with you. My daughter carries an LCP also and it is compact enough for most folks to carry it without a second thought. It's just my opinion, but I think the LCP is one of the best CCW pistols of choice, considering how easy it is to carry concealed.

Same here. I usually carry it in my front right pocket. It doesn’t print if you use a soft holster for it. I bought it based on a recommendation from my instructor who was a retired deputy from up in Maryland.