[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Everytime someone posts something that is/could be/might be/may be a little bit negative, there are some people that make insinuations about the person who orginated the post. This happens especially to first-time posters as well as others who have been on this forum for a while, like this occurrence with Shadow.

The people who make the insinuations discourage people from posting. I find that annoying and dismaying.

There were already two very active threads about this topic when this thread was posted. Obviously, it is of interest to Villagers, or there would be no activity. And, Shadow made no comment for or against the content -- he merely provided information. I can understand why he reacted when insinuations were made about him.

If someone wants to comment on the CONTENT of a post, that is appropriate. Commenting on the character of the person who made the post is, at best, rude.

What he said!!!!!

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Number 6

And it appears to be a very relevent topic on TOTV as this is post #89! Keep up the good work, Shadow!

Not to mention that the two threads I can find on this subject has generated over 7700 views in three days and Gracies post re: What is your perception of Gary Morse, has generated almost 8000 views. Apparently some high level of interest in what goes on with the developers.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Everytime someone posts something that is/could be/might be/may be a little bit negative, there are some people that make insinuations about the person who orginated the post. This happens especially to first-time posters as well as others who have been on this forum for a while, like this occurrence with Shadow.

The people who make the insinuations discourage people from posting. I find that annoying and dismaying.

There were already two very active threads about this topic when this thread was posted. Obviously, it is of interest to Villagers, or there would be no activity. And, Shadow made no comment for or against the content -- he merely provided information. I can understand why he reacted when insinuations were made about him.

If someone wants to comment on the CONTENT of a post, that is appropriate. Commenting on the character of the person who made the post is, at best, rude.

And as you said, there are two active threads on this particular topic already, why not post in one of those threads.

[Ajack]

Random Thoughts: Sensationalism is what my high school teacher would call it. For homework we had two newspapers in our local city to chose from. One was what she called the "scandal sheet" and the other was more "respectable." (her words).
Seems today, they are all scandal sheets. We as a civilization have digressed
in my humble opinion.
Been watching the television series, The Tudors. Now those were the days. When a Noble or other prominent citizen received the sentence of death, the townsfolk would show up for the free entertainment. Beheading, hanging, burned at the stake, the audience was thrilled to liven up their dreary existence. They yelled and hooted and whistled and had a jolly good time.

Come to think of it, they did the same kind of stuff in the Mel Gibson movie, Braveheart. I guess there is something in our nature that likes to see the rich and powerful fall. Maybe it started in modern times when the "media" took down Nixon and the reporters started glorifying the two that did the reporting. Now all the reporters want to be like the reporters who brought down the Presidency.
So, I guess we are the same people who were in the movies that were supposed to take place a long, long time ago.
The more things change-the more they are the same.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Everytime someone posts something that is/could be/might be/may be a little bit negative, there are some people that make insinuations about the person who orginated the post. This happens especially to first-time posters as well as others who have been on this forum for a while, like this occurrence with Shadow.

The people who make the insinuations discourage people from posting. I find that annoying and dismaying.

There were already two very active threads about this topic when this thread was posted. Obviously, it is of interest to Villagers, or there would be no activity. And, Shadow made no comment for or against the content -- he merely provided information. I can understand why he reacted when insinuations were made about him.

If someone wants to comment on the CONTENT of a post, that is appropriate. Commenting on the character of the person who made the post is, at best, rude.

K9, I so agree with you about this. TOTVers commented about Michael Vick (before trial) and Tiger Woods. We comment about people on reality shows. Why would we have no interest in what the media is reporting about the developer of TV? I don't understand that.

I understand criticism of the slant of the Orlando Sentinels' article. I don't understand objections to subjecting the article for comment on TOTV. Some said the article did not contain new information, although it actually contained new information about affidavits that were filed in the case.

Shadow was asked why he posted it. He answered that he posted it because he thought TOTVers would be interested. (Apparently he was right.) He was later accused of not answering the question. It might not be the answer people wanted. People might not believe him. People might have already made up their minds why he posted it. OK. But he gave an answered and still stands accused of not doing so.

Are we shooting the messenger because we don't want to know what we don't want to know? If not for this reason, why?

[Chi-Town]

If you Google Mark Morse Elk Montana you will see that this has gotten some national attention. And you will get a feel for how ticked off Montana is. But I guess the worse thing is perception. When you tout your development as nature friendly be careful about tainting that reputation.

[eweissenbach]

[QUOTE=Ajack;307658]Random Thoughts:

...........Been watching the television series, The Tudors. Now those were the days. When a Noble or other prominent citizen received the sentence of death, the townsfolk would show up for the free entertainment. Beheading, hanging, burned at the stake, the audience was thrilled to liven up their dreary existence. They yelled and hooted and whistled and had a jolly good time.

Come to think of it, they did the same kind of stuff in the Mel Gibson movie, Braveheart. I guess there is something in our nature that likes to see the rich and powerful fall.............

I for one, take no pleasure in seeing the rich and powerful fall. I am interested in seeing justice for the arrogant and selfish, whether rich, poor, or middle class. There are many wealthy people, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, and Michael Bloomberg come to mind, that take the responsibility of their wealth very seriously, and attempt to do some good for mankind as a whole.

[Ajack]

Sanctimonious comes to mind, also.

[K9-Lovers]

Originally Posted by pooh

And as you said, there are two active threads on this particular topic already, why not post in one of those threads.

Pooh, what is wrong with starting a new thread? The answer is: nothing. There is nothing wrong with the way this new information was presented.

Sometimes, when a particular thread is so very, very long. I stop following it. Or, if I never started reading it, I never start because it is so long. Perhaps Shadow felt the same way. Or perhaps he thought this particular LINK TO the article deserved it's own thread. Or perhaps . . or maybe . . . or whatever . . . It doesn't matter. Starting a new thread is what we do here on this forum. I post a lot of dog-related videos. Should I load them all onto the same thread? Is it wrong for me to start a new thread for each one? There is no right or wrong answer.

The comment posted "I have to wonder why such a thread was started" insinuated that there must be some reason other than the sharing of information. That comment insinuates something NEGATIVE about the character of the original poster. I'm sorry, but in my book, that is RUDE. Then all the other followers agreed in a pack-mentality. If your motives were questioned in such a way after posting something you thought was of interest, your feelings would be hurt and you might lash out as well.

Bottom line is -- these negative insinuations make lurkers and wannabe-posters think twice about joining TOTV or making posts. And, that hurts TOTV.

[Ajack]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Pooh, what is wrong with starting a new thread? The answer is: nothing. There is nothing wrong with the way this new information was presented.

Sometimes, when a particular thread is so very, very long. I stop following it. Or, if I never started reading it, I never start because it is so long. Perhaps Shadow felt the same way. Or perhaps he thought this particular LINK TO the article deserved it's own thread. Or perhaps . . or maybe . . . or whatever . . . It doesn't matter. Starting a new thread is what we do here on this forum. I post a lot of dog-related videos. Should I load them all onto the same thread? Is it wrong for me to start a new thread for each one? There is no right or wrong answer.

The comment posted "I have to wonder why such a thread was started" insinuated that there must be some reason other than the sharing of information. That comment insinuates something NEGATIVE about the character of the original poster. I'm sorry, but in my book, that is RUDE. Then all the other followers agreed in a pack-mentality. If your motives were questioned in such a way after posting something you thought was of interest, your feelings would be hurt and you might lash out as well.

Bottom line is -- these negative insinuations make lurkers and wannabe-posters think twice about joining TOTV or making posts. And, that hurts TOTV.

Telling people they have a "pack mentality" and calling people "rude"? Pooh has every right to question motives, after all, people here are judging, and hanging people without a trial. This is not rude, too?

[loonlovers]

As a new resident of The Villages (who's been a long time viewer of TOTV but infrequent poster) I am very saddened by the tone and tenor of this thread. I would hope that civility is not fading in this wonderful community.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Pooh, what is wrong with starting a new thread? The answer is: nothing. There is nothing wrong with the way this new information was presented.

Sometimes, when a particular thread is so very, very long. I stop following it. Or, if I never started reading it, I never start because it is so long. Perhaps Shadow felt the same way. Or perhaps he thought this particular LINK TO the article deserved it's own thread. Or perhaps . . or maybe . . . or whatever . . . It doesn't matter. Starting a new thread is what we do here on this forum. I post a lot of dog-related videos. Should I load them all onto the same thread? Is it wrong for me to start a new thread for each one? There is no right or wrong answer.

The comment posted "I have to wonder why such a thread was started" insinuated that there must be some reason other than the sharing of information. That comment insinuates something NEGATIVE about the character of the original poster. I'm sorry, but in my book, that is RUDE. Then all the other followers agreed in a pack-mentality. If your motives were questioned in such a way after posting something you thought was of interest, your feelings would be hurt and you might lash out as well.

Bottom line is -- these negative insinuations make lurkers and wannabe-posters think twice about joining TOTV or making posts. And, that hurts TOTV.

Keeping similar topics in fewer threads, habit more than anything else. It's how it's done on other boards I visit and the one I moderate. It can indeed make one particular thread long and I understand that it can be a real pain trying to get up to speed, but it does keep the topic "contained" so to speak.

Message boards can be a difficult arena for those not used to them, but all can ask questions. If one questions motives, it's not right? Asking that one not question can seem wrong to those that do. There are lots of things we can learn from reading and writing on message boards. We learn something about the way a person writes, we learn just a bit about their personality, over time we can recognize their prose without even seeing their name. You learn how they can use their words to get their message across...some are nicer than others in doing so and some can have many rallying for their "cause" with little effort. We are attracted or shy away from people who write on boards because of what and how they write.

One thing to consider is that some new members might just have been lurkers for a while before jumping in....they could be well aware of the emotional ups and downs that are part and parcel of boards. I agree they shouldn't be "attacked" but remember, Shadow isn't a novice here, he's been around for a while and personally, I have not attacked him as a person, just questioned why. Learning to "fight fairly" on boards takes practice and at times can seem very difficult, for newer posters as well as seasoned veterans.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by loonlovers

As a new resident of The Villages (who's been a long time viewer of TOTV but infrequent poster) I am very saddened by the tone and tenor of this thread. I would hope that civility is not fading in this wonderful community.

Welcome to TV loonlovers! I know you're going to love your new community.

Don't worry about the back and forth banter of this particular thread.....it's nothing more than you might find if all were in a room together, talking over munchies and drinks, really. Some topics bring out more of an emotional response than others and soon, all will be on to another topic.

Jump in, write, it's nice to have another voice "heard."...

[Ajack]

Originally Posted by pooh

Keeping similar topics in fewer threads, habit more than anything else. It's how it's done on other boards I visit and the one I moderate. It can indeed make one particular thread long and I understand that it can be a real pain trying to get up to speed, but it does keep the topic "contained" so to speak.

Message boards can be a difficult arena for those not used to them, but all can ask questions. If one questions motives, it's not right? Asking that one not question can seem wrong to those that do. There are lots of things we can learn from reading and writing on message boards. We learn something about the way a person writes, we learn just a bit about their personality, over time we can recognize their prose without even seeing their name. You learn how they can use their words to get their message across...some are nicer than others in doing so and some can have many rallying for their "cause" with little effort. We are attracted or shy away from people who write on board because of what and how they write.

One thing to consider is that some new members might just have been lurkers for a while before jumping in....they could be well aware of the emotional ups and downs that are part and parcel of boards. I agree they shouldn't be "attacked" but remember, Shadow isn't a novice here, he's been around for a while and personally, I have not attacked him as a person, just questioned why. Learning to "fight fairly" on boards takes practice and at times can seem very difficult, for newer posters as well as seasoned veterans.

The voice of reason. Pooh, you are one heck of a writer.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by pooh

Welcome to TV loonlovers! I know you're going to love your new community.

Don't worry about the back and forth banter of this particular thread.....it's nothing more than you might find if all were in a room together, talking over munchies and drinks, really. Some topics bring out more of an emotional response than others and soon, all will be on to another topic.

Jump in, write, it's nice to have another voice "heard."...

Loonlovers, welcome. Please don't be discouraged. As Pooh noted, this issue has drawn passionate opinions on several fronts.

Pooh is a dear friend of mine. I truly love her. Gracie too. The fact that we to see this particular issue differently does not diminish my esteem, admiration or love for them. I hope and believe that they don't think less of me either.

I do try to explain my reasonings for my views such that people can understand my perspective whether or not they agree. However, I
hope that I will never express an opinion with such certainty, lack of humility and/or hostility toward the other side that friendship and respect becomes strained or impossible. I think some of the political threads get that way and I avoid them. I hope this thread didn't strike you that way. If I ever do anything like that, I hope someone will take a chainsaw to what is left of my P(ea) brain. Or at least take me aside and let me know that I've crossed a line.

Please don't think ill of us, Loonlovers. We mean well.