[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

This is a brief over view on subsidies that the government gives out.

Government Subsidies (Farm, Oil, Export, Etc)

A lot of other industries and private individuals get subsidies, not just the oil industry. My solution is to end all subsidies and grants from the government.

Subsidies. All think what others get are wrong corrupt etc but what they get is proper and fair. Sadly that is typical views.
Assuming by logo #10 GI. VA medical, GI college, GI bonus points on civil service tests. GI housing loans. TRUTH do you oppose all of them?

Nothing is perfect. Farm controls, paying farmers not to grow. Prevents production of crops that cannot be sold at the cost to produce. The oil industry. No one will say hey it is my fault. It is no longer shown on the pump, it used to be, roughly 1/3 of the price is taxes. Interesting FACT people pushing electric cars do not mention that the cars get government subsidies. The cost to generate electricity gets subsidies and they do not pay the huge tax stated above like 1/3 33% tax on gasoline and similar if not more on diesel to pay for the roads and road repairs.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Subsidies. All think what others get are wrong corrupt etc but what they get is proper and fair. Sadly that is typical views.
Assuming by logo #10 GI. VA medical, GI college, GI bonus points on civil service tests. GI housing loans. TRUTH do you oppose all of them?

Nothing is perfect. Farm controls, paying farmers not to grow. Prevents production of crops that cannot be sold at the cost to produce. The oil industry. No one will say hey it is my fault. It is no longer shown on the pump, it used to be, roughly 1/3 of the price is taxes. Interesting FACT people pushing electric cars do not mention that the cars get government subsidies. The cost to generate electricity gets subsidies and they do not pay the huge tax stated above like 1/3 33% tax on gasoline and similar if not more on diesel to pay for the roads and road repairs.

Yup, agree. Subsidies are basically social engineering. They are to "encourage" companies to do things the "people" want done. At least that was the theory, I think today they are abused a bit more than they should be. But, I agree with you completely.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I have a 2017 Nissan Murano with the 3.5 liter V6 engine rated at 265 HP. If I drive the speed limit on the interstate I can get 30 MPG. Even when I run at 80 MPH on the interstate I get 26 MPG.
I had a Dodge conversion van back in the days when they were popular that had a 318 engine with a pretty wild cam, high rise manifold, 4 barrel Holley carb and headers that gave me 11 MPG at 55 MPH. Granted that wasn't a standard engine but I don't believe it generated 265 HP. My friend had a van also with a regular 318 engine and he only got around 16 MPG. The new engines get excellent milage.

There was no shortage of cars put together with parts from places like HC Whitney that were miscombined and not mated properly to the transmission or the brakes.
I had a Triumph GT6 that was beat to hell and had been raced. Basically a Trump spitfire with a TR6 engine. The car would keep the speedometer bouncing off the end. If, I recall the speedometer went to 160. The car would drive 350 miles at average speed of 100 mph and get over 30 miles per gallon.

Someone who could properly tune a four barrel carb, including the linkages and jets is, was rare. Aside my GT6 had two over sized down draft carbs. Typical garage-I refuse to work on that thing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Why ask obvious questions. I do not own a gas guzzler. For people who do, it was a gas guzzler when you chose to buy it. As far as trading it in, I expect its value has taken a dive.

Carbon foot print etc I do not have an odometer on our golf cart. An honest guess it gets like 30 miles per gallon. My car, again honest does around town like 28 miles per gallon and while I have no way to test it, I expect the exhaust is cleaner.

The answer, the question to ask IS THIS TRIP NECESSARY.

I worry about the exhaust of the gas golf carts.

[Nucky]

We sold our H2 Hummer and our 10 cylinder Excursion to our kids before we moved down here or when we went back for a visit. They both have called for a refund. DENIED!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Subsidies. All think what others get are wrong corrupt etc but what they get is proper and fair. Sadly that is typical views.
Assuming by logo #10 GI. VA medical, GI college, GI bonus points on civil service tests. GI housing loans. TRUTH do you oppose all of them?

You can call them subsidies, but I consider them to be compensation for many years of low pay and the physical abuse your body suffers in the military. Have you not seen the Wounded Warrior commercials on television and the horrible injuries they incurred? The "subsidies" veterans get are part of the cost for a their service to the country. Without these benefits do you really think anyone would go into the military for the pittance they pay?
In the military you are on call 24/7 and my normal work hours were 10 to 14 hours a day. In one unit, due to poor leadership at the unit commander's level, we worked 77 days straight, 10 to 14 hours a day. Most veterans EARNED everything they get.

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The problem with electric vehicles is having enough electric power generation capacity to provide electricity to those charging stations. I can't remember the number of reports of brown and black outs that happen across the country but they happen frequently. Haven't heard of anyone in government addressing this problem.

It all has to do with profitability. You make electricity profitable you'll find better grids being built. You want more charging stations once the cash hits the table, they will start poppy up all over the place.
20 years ago you had a cable box under your TV with maybe 50 stations, once people realized there was money in it, the dame busted opened. It's like that with everything.
Today you go on the internet and ask how to boil water and you have 30 people with video podcasts, first telling you their life story and then instructing you step by step.
It's going to happen before you know it.

[Luggage]

Has the commercial goes I want my father's Olds 88 got 8 miles to the gallon. I sold a Lincoln Town car same size but it actually got 22 miles to the gallon in the city which was incredible for me. I now drive a smaller car a Buick verano which gets the same 22 miles to the gallon around the city. Most people don't drive a heck of a lot in senior town so it really doesn't matter much and you're probably talking one or $200 a year difference in the higher price gases so I really don't care. If you do start looking for cars you can probably sell your car for more than you paid for it 5 years ago but of course buying a new car will be 5 or $10,000 more also because there are none available

[Cliff Fr]

I would consider a hybrid but I'm only able to buy used vehicles because I don't want a car payment. I'm concerned that the batteries in a used hybrid vehicle would go bad and they are expensive. We've got a Chevy HHR that averages 27 mpg and gets about 33 mpg hwy and a Saturn Aura that averages 30 mpg and gets about 34 mpg hwy

[Stu from NYC]

Wonder when owners of electric cars will get to pay highway taxes like the rest of us.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

I would consider a hybrid but I'm only able to buy used vehicles because I don't want a car payment. I'm concerned that the batteries in a used hybrid vehicle would go bad and they are expensive. We've got a Chevy HHR that averages 27 mpg and gets about 33 mpg hwy and a Saturn Aura that averages 30 mpg and gets about 34 mpg hwy

My brother-in-law has a 2008 Prius with over 280,000 miles and still gets over 45 mpg
Manfred Dvorak's 2005 Toyota Prius

Manfred Dvorak is an Austrian taxi driver who's Prius amassed over 621k miles, all on the original battery while in use. While it is no longer a taxi vehicle, it is still being currently used as a roadside assistance vehicle.Mar 10, 2021 That comes to 385,000 miles kilometer to miles conversion.
Your gas mileage is very good.

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[Warren]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

No, yes, no.

Even a gas guzzler should get about 20 MPG on the open road. So, a 5,000 mile trip will cost about $1,000 for gas, (5,000/20 × $4/gallon). Not worth considering buying a new vehicle. I don't think electric vehicles make any sense at all, especially for long trips.

You only need to consider the cost difference between the 20 MPG and the MPG you get on the new car.

[Michael G.]

MSN

[A-2-56]

I get 27 city and about 33 highway in this awesome VW Tiguan SUV.
Now as far as gas guzzlers go, check the used car lots for the huge Pick up trucks that are 10-15 years old and still sell for $30K+, nope resale is not hurting them.
Now, the electric cars are very interesting and I would guess that in the future they may be worthwhile.
First, if you buy a Tesla you need to have a proprietary 75 Amp service just for charging. Consider that most houses have a 100 Amp service for the whole house that is quite an additional draw.
Now consider all the houses on your street and the electric service draw or potential Amperage draw is increased by 75%.
Most communities have issues now, especially in the summer. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WON’T HANDLE IT!
So who should pay for this dramatic grid boost of every power generation system, every transfer station, HV transmission lines, transformers and the lines to your house. Oh, you have to replace your breaker box and breakers too, because now you need 200 Amp service.
In California a few weeks ago the grid was in trouble, so they asked EV customers not to plug in for a few days!

[A-2-56]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wonder when owners of electric cars will get to pay highway taxes like the rest of us.

They already passed federal legislation that included money to be used to research how to tax per miles driven. FACT!