[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by blueash

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon View Post
Rap is crap ... I admit I dislike it. I don't listen but what I have heard of it, is that it's simply a beat with some "wise ass" lyrics that are not musical at all, just someone shouting something that is obscene or defiant -- and then you have the stupid performers grabbing their crotch. That gesture often has nothing to do with what they're shouting about. What do younger people find appealing about it? To me it seems it's a protest against music, against harmony because it's tone deaf, which is the opposite of music. Sure, our music sometimes became more noise than music, too -- think the acid rock of Pink Floyd. I went to a Pink Floyd concert in the early-70's and sat near the front row and it was so loud I thought my ear drums were going to burst and I had to move back it was so painful. Music is supposed to soothe the savage beast. Rap just brings it out.



What, did I hit a nerve? The difference is that a poster who is YeOldeCurmudgeon at least admits that their opinion is less than informed. You present yourself as the voice of wisdom and reason while spouting hate too often and defending it as humor. I am fairly certain that your patients who were not white, straight, and cis, were not treated with the same respect as those that met your requirements. You cannot get that kind of pre- judging to not influence your behavior. Why you even need to write "black" and stick in in quotes. I wonder if we were together you'd make cute little air quotes instead.

Not at all. And you can rest assured that all patients regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation were treated equally and professionally. If we're slinging mud, did you treat your conservative or religious patients with the same respect?

The only topic that comes close to me "spouting hate" relates to the events of 9/11/01, and I have extremely good reasons for feeling the way I do. No amount of ecumenical kumbaya will ever change that.

Aside from that, I'm willing to bet we have tons more in common than these petty differences. So truce??????

[BlackhawksFan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Rap???? They either lost their playlist or lost their minds.

Disco, Jackson---OK, after all those that are 62 today were 15 in 1975 and that was their music. I grew up with the Beach Boys, Four Seasons and Beetles, but there are those older Villagers who grew up with The Platters and Bill Haley's Comets. None of us grew up with rap, although most of us would throw up to it

You're wrong. I'm 57 and I grew up around rap music. It's not my style but it's been here since the 80s. It's not new it's been a recognized Grammy category for nearly 30 years. Kid n Play, Run DMC, NWA, Ice T, Eminem, JayZ, Public Enemy, etc have been around forever.

Rap, like it's Rock predecessor, is going nowhere.

[Pginbr]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The Villages radio station used to be something we totally enjoyed. We would look forward to coming to our Villages home and be able to hear the great music we grew up listening to. Much of the music was stuff we couldn’t find on other stations. Over the years the music selection has steadily gone downhill, as more crap like Michael Jackson and Disco became part of the playlist. Despite that, we have remained loyal and continued to listen to the station. Today at approximately 1:44 PM that all changed. Something happened that I never expected from the Villages radio station, they played RAP. For us, that’s a game changer, it brought back bad memories of the Super Bowl halftime show. We refuse to listen to a station that broadcasts noise pollution instead of music. By by WVLG!

“Oldies” type stations do have to progress. There aren’t many people born in the 20’s that are alive today to justify playing music from that era only.

As an example, let’s say you started coming to TV 20 years ago at 55. WVLG played music mostly from the 40’s/50’s/60’s to appease the majority of listeners.

And then, 10 years ago more 55+ people had moved here. WLVG played music mostly from the 50’s/60’s/70’s to appease the majority of listeners.

Then currently more 55+ people are moving here. WVLG is playing music mostly from the 60’s/70’s/80’s to appease the majority of listeners.

The average population age here is constantly changing and WLVG does a fantastic job. They can’t please all their listeners all the time, but they can please all of their listeners some of the time.

Have you tried Sirius radio? They have music stations dedicated to each decade entirely, from the 20’s to current.

[DrBrutyle109]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The Villages radio station used to be something we totally enjoyed. We would look forward to coming to our Villages home and be able to hear the great music we grew up listening to. Much of the music was stuff we couldn’t find on other stations. Over the years the music selection has steadily gone downhill, as more crap like Michael Jackson and Disco became part of the playlist. Despite that, we have remained loyal and continued to listen to the station. Today at approximately 1:44 PM that all changed. Something happened that I never expected from the Villages radio station, they played RAP. For us, that’s a game changer, it brought back bad memories of the Super Bowl halftime show. We refuse to listen to a station that broadcasts noise pollution instead of music. By by WVLG!

You must know much about music. Michael Jackson was one of the most talented performers of his era. I agree on the Rap thing. Not really music.

[Petersweeney]

Originally Posted by Laker14

The fact that you describe something you don't like or understand that way, based upon nothing other than the fact that you don't like or understand it says nothing about RAP, but it says volumes about yourself.

Much of the music that WVLG plays now, and has been playing for decades, was once blackballed on American AM stations as being too heavily influenced by "Negro" (their word, not mine) music.
Now we hear it everywhere we go, but in the 1950s the music of Bill Haley, Elvis, Buddy Holly and many others was treated with exactly the same level of disrespect based upon ignorance as you just exhibited in that statement.
Congratulations on being proud of your intolerance of things you don't understand, or care for.

Your an angry person inside….get help

[manaboutown]

WVLG is a marketing tool. It plays what those in charge believe will appeal to the demographic considering purchasing new homes in The Villages. It likely needs to accommodate various government regulations and policies but I am clueless about that.

[kkingston57]

Have had satellite radio for 10+ years. For us best thing since sliced bread.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Okay, well...

My parents loved crooners, I find them boring. My parents hated the Beatles, I loved them.

Tastes and times change. But I do think it weird that a radio station dedicated to seniors would not do market research and tailor their playlist to be acceptable to the majority of their market. Maybe they did - I don't know.

I understood the point the author was making, I didn't understand the reason for the post. I don't mind it. I don't object to it. Just curious if they are just venting or want to get the station to change - I just don't know.

Well, I retired 3 years ago at age 50, and many many more are retiring at younger ages. The current generation prefers life experiences to finding fulfillment through work. They will also opt to retire younger. Since I am seeing more and more my age retiring, its safe to assume we came of age in the 1980's. '80's music had some rap (Beastie Boys, Blondie, SugarHill Gang, and even into our 30's we were listening to Snoop and Dre.

I'm not a big rap fan, but I do like the "nostalgic" ones as mentioned above.

You are absolutely right, the Villages radio station is making adjustments based on the newly retiring demographic. You will hear less and less classic '60's rock, even though I love that very much. In another decade, expect to start hearing N'Sync and Brittney also.

It is what it is. The world, and time, march on.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Have had satellite radio for 10+ years. For us best thing since sliced bread.

i like the Dead Zone & The Boneyard stations

[maistocars]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Beginning of April it was ONE personally objectionable Commercial. Today it was ONE objectionable song in your opinion deal with it. If it’s every song then there would be an issue.

Give them an inch ad they take a mile.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by blueash

I can't tell if this comment is sarcasm or snark or simply unaware. Have you listened to the language of our generation. F bombs included in most conversations. Flags flying and bumper stickers using that language to attack politicians.

Did you copy and paste a comment you found from the 50s or 60s about rock and roll? The "Devil's music" full of sex and encouraging protest and marching the street. Louie Louie telling us where to touch a woman.. John and Paul telling us to keep our gun warm and happy with our finger on her trigger.. Peter Paul and Mary, Dylan, Guthrie telling us our institutions were war mongers and racists and bigots. Signs, signs, everywhere signs... Clapton praising cocaine or the Stones' sister morphine. How high were you at Eight Miles High? Gracie Slick, the original Gracie Girl, explained that the pill that mother gave you didn't do anything at all, go ask Alice.

Quick.. what song has the phrase "every cop is a criminal"



The old folks never heard that kind of stuff from Sinatra and it all went downhill after Elvis wiggled his pelvis on Sullivan while imitating that Negro music. And they played it all on the radio despite laws controlling the media, and despite the conservative churches railing against it. And here you all are, saying the same tired trite thing about music that took one more step.

Using the phrase responsible music about rock and roll? You must not recall how hated it was and how revolutionary and how it really only spoke to those under 30.

Now for fun... Who said this about rock and roll: Google will tell you

"[T]he most brutal, ugly, degenerate, vicious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear…. It is sung, played, and written for the most part by cretinous goons and by means of its almost imbecilic retardation and sly, lewd dirty lyrics. It manages to be the martial music of every side-burned delinquent on the face of the earth"

If you believe Rock was meant to be responsible musical entertainment you missed or have forgotten what the responsible people thought about it at the time. Or maybe you were a side burned degenerate then.

Great post! You must be angry and need help, like I was told I was on this thread, for reminding everyone that the music we now consider mainstream was once considered not only not musical, but dangerous to society.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

Your an angry person inside….get help

When you have no argument against facts and logic, attack the person's character.
Well played, sir.

[Chueyboy]

Rapture 1980, The first Rap song to hit number 1 on the pop charts in America. That was 42 yrs ago.

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The Villages radio station used to be something we totally enjoyed. We would look forward to coming to our Villages home and be able to hear the great music we grew up listening to. Much of the music was stuff we couldn’t find on other stations. Over the years the music selection has steadily gone downhill, as more crap like Michael Jackson and Disco became part of the playlist. Despite that, we have remained loyal and continued to listen to the station. Today at approximately 1:44 PM that all changed. Something happened that I never expected from the Villages radio station, they played RAP. For us, that’s a game changer, it brought back bad memories of the Super Bowl halftime show. We refuse to listen to a station that broadcasts noise pollution instead of music. By by WVLG!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Not at all. And you can rest assured that all patients regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation were treated equally and professionally. If we're slinging mud, did you treat your conservative or religious patients with the same respect?

The only topic that comes close to me "spouting hate" relates to the events of 9/11/01, and I have extremely good reasons for feeling the way I do. No amount of ecumenical kumbaya will ever change that.

Aside from that, I'm willing to bet we have tons more in common than these petty differences. So truce??????

Of course I am happy to have a truce. I will agree with you that Covid was real, that 9-11 was not a CIA or Israeli plot and was an attack on our country. I will have a truce with you about lots of things we agree about. What I will not wave a white flag for is ignoring bigotry.

So as long as you are careful in what you write, think about it before you hit the submit reply button, I will not call out what I see. I have never attacked you in this forum except in response to what you have written. I did send you one PM about one of your posts where I thought a private conversation explaining something would be met with a positive response. It was not, you've doubled down on the behavior and attempted to mock me for being sensitive about the topic.

And to answer your question.. I never was aware of the politics of my patients. Children generally don't have political opinions. I know I was sympathetic and supportive of my gay patients, and my transgender patient. I had patients/parents from every major religious group including atheism and pastafarianism. I had partners who were Jewish, Hindu, and both mainstream and Evangelical Christian. I had a partner who showed me a photograph she said was taken at an appearance of Mary which she said showed the bars of the Pearly Gates. I was an attending at a Children's hospital with doctors from all over the world who were my peers and my superiors.

But I will admit that I did not treat all my patients the same. I had a few families discharged from the practice over the years for comments they made about not wanting to see a doctor from India, or refusing to allow a Black MA to assist in their child's visit, because of the race of the MA. Out you go.

I like to think I have an open mind and heart. I am sure that there are closed doors in my subconscious which I hope I keep locked tightly. I married a Republican.

And I don't care for rap music. It does not speak to me any more than country or gospel or opera or madrigals. But here on this forum we have people, seemingly without irony or self awareness attacking rap music for containing foul language, and how do they describe rap, as being crap, a word that certainly in their formative years was not acceptable. See, ok for old white people to fly their Eff the Potus flags, and to use language I don't think they learned in church and in the next breath attack rap for foul language. Such an inconsistency is worth pointing out even if it only makes one person think for one second about why it is ok for our Villages' culture to encourage Eff the President flags and then cry purity police about musicians using the same kinds of non-church language.

So TL: DR. Yes to a truce, no to my ignoring what I might see as racism, bigotry, sexism, and hate speech. You avoid making posts that seem to contain those topics and I will stay very quiet in my corner. See it as a sign, if you like, for my respect for a physician that I consciously expect more tolerance and more evidence of open-heartedness from a member of that profession than from the usual anonymous person on TOTV.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by blueash

Of course I am happy to have a truce. I will agree with you that Covid was real, that 9-11 was not a CIA or Israeli plot and was an attack on our country. I will have a truce with you about lots of things we agree about. What I will not wave a white flag for is ignoring bigotry.

So as long as you are careful in what you write, think about it before you hit the submit reply button, I will not call out what I see. I have never attacked you in this forum except in response to what you have written. I did send you one PM about one of your posts where I thought a private conversation explaining something would be met with a positive response. It was not, you've doubled down on the behavior and attempted to mock me for being sensitive about the topic.

And to answer your question.. I never was aware of the politics of my patients. Children generally don't have political opinions. I know I was sympathetic and supportive of my gay patients, and my transgender patient. I had patients/parents from every major religious group including atheism and pastafarianism. I had partners who were Jewish, Hindu, and both mainstream and Evangelical Christian. I had a partner who showed me a photograph she said was taken at an appearance of Mary which she said showed the bars of the Pearly Gates. I was an attending at a Children's hospital with doctors from all over the world who were my peers and my superiors.

But I will admit that I did not treat all my patients the same. I had a few families discharged from the practice over the years for comments they made about not wanting to see a doctor from India, or refusing to allow a Black MA to assist in their child's visit, because of the race of the MA. Out you go.

I like to think I have an open mind and heart. I am sure that there are closed doors in my subconscious which I hope I keep locked tightly. I married a Republican.

And I don't care for rap music. It does not speak to me any more than country or gospel or opera or madrigals. But here on this forum we have people, seemingly without irony or self awareness attacking rap music for containing foul language, and how do they describe rap, as being crap, a word that certainly in their formative years was not acceptable. See, ok for old white people to fly their Eff the Potus flags, and to use language I don't think they learned in church and in the next breath attack rap for foul language. Such an inconsistency is worth pointing out even if it only makes one person think for one second about why it is ok for our Villages' culture to encourage Eff the President flags and then cry purity police about musicians using the same kinds of non-church language.

So TL: DR. Yes to a truce, no to my ignoring what I might see as racism, bigotry, sexism, and hate speech. You avoid making posts that seem to contain those topics and I will stay very quiet in my corner. See it as a sign, if you like, for my respect for a physician that I consciously expect more tolerance and more evidence of open-heartedness from a member of that profession than from the usual anonymous person on TOTV.

Seems reasonable to me. Nicely said.