[Bay Kid]

You can never have enough garage space!

[karostay]

Nice addition very eye appealing. Hope the rest of community clean up there properties some eye sores just a few doors down

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I agree the gentleman should be allowed the wider driveway, and what he has had done is in keeping with the area.
The difference between the two cases was, the garage man obtained relevant permission before building, but the driveway widening was completed without consent, and when one of his charming neighbors complained, he was instructed to remove it.
That decision is another debate.
Moral of story is, get the permission first, and after completion, you can give the moaners any sign you like!

The other difference, and more importantly - Both sides were widened. Part of the deed restrictions of patio villas forbids concrete to be poured on the side facing your neighbor. Approval can not be given, before or after.

Another moral. Do not add to the job once approval is given. Anything added is not approved and may end up being un-approvable. That is what happened. Approval obtained for one side - decided to both sides after contractor gave him a "while I'm here" a discount.

The original driveway was wide enough for a car and a golf cart to sit side by side.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

I do agree. From the beginning I have thought, "what's the big deal?" I wish I could create more space.

I agree. Too many people worry about too many things that really don't affect them. It's a big garage in your neighborhood. So what? It looks like it was part of the original house. I think it looks fine and would have no problem with it being built next to me.

We have a wonderful life here in the Villages. I don't understand why people want ruing their lives worrying about little things like this.

[manaboutown]

I wonder if he is into auto racing of some sort. A man I have known since childhood, with his neighbors’ approval built a four car garage behind his modest tract home. He builds supercharged Ford flathead V8s and drag races them. His garage has a dynometer in it which he runs engines on from time to time. I wonder what the neighbors think of the noise. Here is a video of an engine being run on one (not his). DYNO-mite – Engine Dynamometer Demo Video

Here is his website for any of you flathead enthusiasts.
Roadrunner Engineering - Home - Supercharge Your Ford Flathead

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.

Are there any Threads on TOTV'S about this situation that occurred with a Veteran? I looked and didn't find one but did find one from Village Tinker from 2016 warning about the common misunderstandings about the paperwork involved in any improvement.

I did speak with my son last night who is presently in points unknown overseas and asked him if another Vet who moved in next to him in the Family Section, Oxford Oaks and violated a rule about an addition to his house what exactly would his next move be. His reply was simple. If the man or woman was a good neighbor they could build a Silo in the back yard. If they were a Nudge it would be game on.

As a Non-Vet, I am inclined to support most Vets in action, not words. I do seem to remember this happening a while back within the last year but would love to read more about it. I wasn't lazy I really looked. Manabouttown I don't think you needed to post any link as we are just talking here and even though links and proof are commanded by some I don't think they are always needed between people who are just discussing a bad situation.

What was the bottom line end of the story here? Did he place the Concrete and have to rip it up? If he lived next to us he could have used our driveway instead of going thru the expense and headaches and frustration he seemed to have experienced.

This situation is a long way from a Beautiful Garage on a Beautiful House In a Majorly Beautiful Neighborhood. Speculating on a Dyno Tuning facility being installed is also a little excessive although if the reason for the entire problem here was personal then I think you just gave the owner of the house a great idea to even the score.

The other post about ripping an entire home down in unbelievable, I believe it but WOW.

I want to reserve my thoughts for now about alleged Payolla and the Soprano comment as I don't know for a fact that Butt Smooching or Favoritism is a fact in getting the proper documents to construct things in the south. I searched for that also and couldn't come up with any Thread. I could carry that further but don't want to be unkind or lose my posting priveledges on TOTV'S as some others have.

Have a Great Day!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.

It was a simple search to find the articles regarding the ARC, denying driveway extensions to TWO veterans...completed without prior ARC approval.

One was dated March 15, 2019 and one April 12, 2019 (both on the site that can't be mentioned)...so no links.

Here's what the 3/15 article says;

A couple that lives in the Hallandale Villas has won another extension to keep their out-of-compliance driveway.

The Community Development District 8 Board of Supervisors agreed Friday to give Purple Heart recipient Kevin McCabe and his wife, Jean, six more months as they fight to keep their extended driveway.

McCabe served in Vietnam from 1966 to 1967 and was seriously injured when he stepped on a land mine. He and other aging and physically challenged residents of the Hallandale Villas ran afoul of Community Standards after they extended their driveways without approval from the Architectural Review Committee.

They were ordered to bring their driveways into compliance.

Other homeowners gave up the fight, but the McCabes in November won a 60-day extension as they continue to pursue a discrimination claim through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, based on Kevin McCabe’s disabilities, which are a result of his military service. In January they were granted another extension.

After the meeting, the McCabes said they are determined to fight on.

The 4/12 article says;

He said he had the pavers installed to extend his courtyard driveway, claiming that his hip injury requires him to use a smooth surface while getting in and out of his vehicles. And he told supervisors that he can’t fit his golf cart, vehicle and other items, like a refrigerator and tool box, in his garage at one time and still easily enter his house.

Prior to the installing the pavers, Hite had submitted a request to the Architectural Review Committee. But after discussing the ARC’s purview and the prohibition regarding courtyard villas, Hite withdrew his ARC application with the understanding that he would have a hearing in front of CDD 4 supervisors, according to Community Standards Manager Candice Dennis.

Hite’s request fell under the Fair Housing Act, which meant supervisors had to remain very focused with their ruling. District Manager Richard Baier and District Counsel Valerie Fuchs both cautioned supervisors that they could only consider Hite’s request for an accommodation involving the need for the pavers, not whether it’s inconvenient to shift vehicles around to get in and out of his garage and driveway.

Hite told supervisors that not having the pavers will put an unnecessary strain on him when entering and exiting his vehicles.

“My right leg does not bend due to my injuries, causing me to pull or push myself up on the seat,” the former Army sergeant said. “Doing this on anything other than a smooth surface could cause me to have a slip or fall.”

After asking several questions, supervisors voted to deny Hite’s request while allowing him time to resubmit his application with more information that could help them make a favorable decision.

After the meeting, Hite suggested that supervisors should visit his home and see exactly what he’s talking about. He said not being able to fit his golf cart in his garage and exit the vehicle safely remains a concern. And he vowed to put together more information and come back before CDD 4 supervisors at a later date.

Here's photo's that accompanied both articles and hoping these veterans, get to keep their well-done and nice looking...widened driveways.

[ColdNoMore]

P.S. - My "search" was done using plain old Google...not a specific site's search function.

[Taltarzac725]

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.

I was going to drive by next week on my way to suck down some Bang Bang Shrimp...............sounds complicated to me, I might pass.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.

Sounds like it might not become part of the Trolley Tour as it would take so much time to get to it and then back out.

[dewilson58]

I just looked on Google Maps.................It is in such a remote location, not much traffic. This whole mess effects a dozen neighbors.


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[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I just looked on Google Maps.................It is in such a remote location, not much traffic. This whole mess effects a dozen neighbors.


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Tempest in a teapot.

[Nucky]

So at this point am I correct that my searches on TOTV'S about the Veterans Concrete Problems were not found in a search on TOTV'S? Good! I do not know of this other search spot as I am Faithful to TOTV'S and searched here because this is where the conversation is going on. I also notice that the THREAD IS ABOUT A GARAGE IN TALL TREES. I believe a NEW THREAD should have been started about the PROBLEMS that OUR VETERANS HAVE FACED.

That being said it appears that the Perry Masonry investigation about this extra situation (Vets) came to no conclusion as of this junction??? Correct??? Good!!

I think we can all agree that when it comes to someone who risked it all for us and our country that they (Those In Charge) should do everything possible to accommodate every injured Veteran when it is reasonable! This seems reasonable.

The Tony Soprano comment when not used in a Jocular fashion is a slur against Italians. The wonderful fun loving fantastic Italians who have passed through and are in my life would take offense to the idea that they are crooked, they are not. If it was joking that would be different. I don't think it was a joke.

Back on Block, Life In The Villages is Great!

[Ladygolfer93]

Agreed !Certainly not something I'd take up my time on earth getting upset about ! ! I mean it is their lot/property. If they wanted to build on a home business, that would be a concern (parking especially, really difficult now with all the lawn people and large trailers, etc.)