[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Crap happens, doesn't it? The only reason I will pass another cart is because I will not follow someone smoking a damn cigar or cigarette; I don't have to and will not let their nasty, stinking habit spoil an otherwise beautiful ride. I will pass bicyclists though, whether it be the slow ones wearing their full body leotards or the turtle pace ones that are wobbling and looking like they're ready to fall over.

While I agree with you in principle, there are problems with your argument.
If you are following closely enough to get second hand smoke, then you are getting worse from engine exhaust.
More importantly, in order to pass a smoker's cart going 20, you would have to ILLEGALLY modify your cart to go faster, and at least 23-24 to make passing effective before a car comes up on you before you can get back in the cart lane. And of course, you get even more CAR exhaust. Better off dropping back 50 feet and you won't be bothered.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

A lot of drunks do that too.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by drstevens

Not crossing the white line is a big misconception and was explained in the golf cart safety course (highly recommended) I took last month at Colony. You absolutely may and should cross the white line when safe and necessary. Never make a left turn from the golf cart lane, but move into the street traffic first and then turn left. The white line is NOT a do not cross line. Hope that helps!

The same thing is also explained by SCSO deputies at the monthly newcomers meetings at Colony.

[PennBF]

We were in our golf cart and following a bunch of bikers.The last biker was weaving all over the road including once in awhile riding on the white line on Morse Blvd below 466. They turned a corner and a panel truck turned and was now behind them including the last biker that was weaving. The biker weaved next to the truck and was hit. No obvious physical damage but the bike was damaged. One of the bikers asked us if we saw it and we said yes and the last biker was weaving into the road and the truck was not at fault in our opinion. At which time the other biker said so what if the biker was weaving into the road as the bikers can ride anywhere in the road including down the middle. I said that was not true and they started to be pretty angry when challenged on the subject. This is why there are some real problems as the biker's believe they own the road and cause the poor drivers a serious problem.!! There should be an education program for them!!

[LitespeedRider]

Originally Posted by PennBF

We were in our golf cart and following a bunch of bikers.The last biker was weaving all over the road including once in awhile riding on the white line on Morse Blvd below 466. They turned a corner and a panel truck turned and was now behind them including the last biker that was weaving. The biker weaved next to the truck and was hit. No obvious physical damage but the bike was damaged. One of the bikers asked us if we saw it and we said yes and the last biker was weaving into the road and the truck was not at fault in our opinion. At which time the other biker said so what if the biker was weaving into the road as the bikers can ride anywhere in the road including down the middle. I said that was not true and they started to be pretty angry when challenged on the subject. This is why there are some real problems as the biker's believe they own the road and cause the poor drivers a serious problem.!! There should be an education program for them!!

I am QUITE familiar with this situation. The truck will be found at fault (and has been). The multi-thousand dollar wheel was damaged (ruined)

I agree with you that there is a large part of responsibility on the cyclist. I know the cyclist was weaving due to being exhausted (and cut her ride short due to her physical condition).



She should not have been in the road maybe (but had the right to be there). Luckily no one was hurt. Too bad for the truck driver.


As a note: I ALWAYS ride to the LEFT of the white line 3' or more (as is my right)

[PennBF]

The truck driver will suffer for something not his responsibility. Per the note she was tired but he is going to pay for her disregard for all safety and his life will be impacted by the biker's disregard for the other persons well being. It would be the right thing for the biker to explain his/her role and accept that portion of the responsibility. Also, I understand bikers are to be 3 feet from the curb? We witnessed the accident and it appears what the writer wrote was partially accurate. Sad

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by PennBF

The truck driver will suffer for something not his responsibility. Per the note she was tired but he is going to pay for her disregard for all safety and his life will be impacted by the biker's disregard for the other persons well being. It would be the right thing for the biker to explain his/her role and accept that portion of the responsibility. Also, I understand bikers are to be 3 feet from the curb? We witnessed the accident and it appears what the writer wrote was partially accurate. Sad

Good points.

While I have no problem "sharing the road" with bicyclers, a lot of them need to learn that the laws apply to them also.

So what if you bicyclers have to slow down and take your ballet slippers out of your toe clips...STOP still means STOP.

Even for you people...you're not special.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

...So what if you bicyclers have to slow down and take your ballet slippers out of your toe clips...STOP still means STOP...

My experience with most bicyclers is that they slow to a near-stop before going through stop signs, but no more or less so than the vast majority of automobile drivers. I have no problem with that.

I always get a kick out of this discussion. The percentage of automobile drivers who totally stop...and I mean 100% stop...absolutely 0.0000 MPH...at every stop sign is minuscule. And it doesn't make you a bad driver if you're not one of that small number. I expect no more or less from a bicycle rider.

[LitespeedRider]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I expect no more or less from a bicycle rider.

I agree - the one place I have been yelled at a few times in FL is running red lights that I have no ability to change. You can only wait to cross 301 for so long before you just go. There are states that have the same regulation for motorcycles to treat red lights as stop signs.

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by John_W

How would a golf cart driver make a left turn if they didn't cross the white line?

Or continue thru a stop sign or red light after stopping.

[PennBF]

First: The biker and truck turned "Right" off of Morse and
Second: The accident occurred in the "Middle" of a road and there was no involvement with a red light.