[crash]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I guess you not going to be affected by the towering apartments, over crowding, and Morse Blvd congestion, and suspected 285 residents, probably will be more. Yes it private property but he don’t own district amenities which he getting addition free passes to district that He don’t own. Cramping more in area already over crowded. I‘M in same boat it don’t affect me why should I care?

Agree with you and it is the CDD commissioners that caved and gave away access to the amenities. They could of prevented apartments because who would want them if it did not include the amenities.

The biggest difference between these apartments and the ones in Brownwood is location. Brownwood is in a commercial zone and Hacienda is in a single family home zone, just wrong.

[Timothyimitchell]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

Maybe we should wait to see the plans.

Their track record is pretty fair.

[17362]

I saw this original thread and thought....
What? Again? Geez!
Get over it people.
The developer doesn’t have to listen to any of us. He/ she/ they/ it OWNS it.

Perhaps the real reason why there are so many threads about this is that emotions have taken over the brain - and that they can do what they want, but The Village house owner(s) are a deed restricted community?!? Is that the real reason?
Never the less, nothing can be said to change it.
It’s history!
Get over it.
This is what I call, “ too bad, so sad, Learn from it “ instance.

[Raton270]

The jury is out. Let’s evaluate at the end of there terms and see how Sumter County stacks up with other counties in Florida.

[Regor]

Originally Posted by crash

The country club is in Marion county so the Sumter County commissioners have nothing to do with it.

Hacienda Hills is in Sumter county

[Cranford61]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Funny. I recall that when Gary Morse was alive people complained about how he ruined all of the good will created by his father, Harold Schwartz.

I'm wondering if when the kids of the people currently running the show take over, people will be complaining about how their parents did it so much better.

I often wondered how to Gary Morse get his surname when his father was Harold Schwartz?

[GolfGirl122]

It’s in Sumter County. And they will most likely take away a 9 hole course to fit their needs.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by crash

Agree with you and it is the CDD commissioners that caved and gave away access to the amenities. They could of prevented apartments because who would want them if it did not include the amenities.

The biggest difference between these apartments and the ones in Brownwood is location. Brownwood is in a commercial zone and Hacienda is in a single family home zone, just wrong.

The CDD Supervisors have zero say or control of anything to do with the amenities. You are misinformed.

[FromNY]

Originally Posted by Cranford61

I often wondered how to Gary Morse get his surname when his father was Harold Schwartz?

According to a story he was given his mother's name to prevent antisemitic situation for schooling.

[Villages Kahuna]

I hadn’t thought about the lot premium issue. But the extra 300 guest-amenity cards was approved by the AAC last week. The only impediment to the developer proposal would be their inability to get zoning changes to permit the high-rise building. If the developer controls the zoning in The Villages, they might be able to get the change. If they have to apply to the “new” Sumter County board, there’s a chance re-zoning may not be approved.

Three incumbent board members lost in the primary, but I think all five have to run in the General Election in November. We’d all be well-served to get the names of the candidates challenging the incumbents in preparation for our voting in November.

No amount of bushes will be able to shield the view from surrounding homes of the proposed 286-unit apartment building. The proposed building would have to be 10-12 stories high to fit on the parcel of land that was Hacienda Hills CC. That doesn’t consider where parking for 300 or so cars plus at least 200 golf carts would go. Given the sink hole problem in The Villages, I can’t imagine a large underground garage would even be possible.

[FromNY]

Things change. Once we had buffalo. Then Freedom Point was built. Those homes lost views. Once there was open land and a feeling of country living and shopping centers ,big box stores, apartments, schools etc happened. Its called progress. Its a demand for convinces. It is growth we ,well most of us have a choice. Live here enjoy what we have or move. It is sad to see things changes. Now if the developer wants to have already existing homeowners pay to build that is a different story. People who pay HOA fees often get told hand over a thousand dollars to fix something in the community ( had it happen in South Fl). We are fortunate to have a relatively clean safe fun filled place to grow old. Change happens.

[Buckeye Bob]

There are NO plans for a restaurant and it is not part of the agreement.

[Dilligas]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Have you ever heard of Good Will. That is an intangible asset that is on the balance sheet of companies that listen to and answer to the needs of their life blood, their customers. Gary Morse got that big time. The current generation of the family were very fortunate to inherit that Good Will along with a thriving enterprise and a billion dollars each. They are now burning up that Good Will at an astronomical pace. Pretty soon they won't be able to simply build stuff and sell it to the next sucker based on the Good Will generated by their deceased father. Their inherited tank of Good Will will run empty, and they will realize that Good Will has to be earned by listening to their customers and acting accordingly, and very handsome profits will follow if they finally manage to get it.

The developers have listened and reacted to the customers...that is why the farther south you go the the amenities, landscape, and environmental features have gotten bigger and better. When you bought, your area was better laid out and better amenities than the Orange Blossom area. North of CR466 improved upon your area, CR466-CR466A improved on the 3 previous areas, and CR466A-SR44 inproved again. Now you are seeing more improvement south of SR44. If the residents stop supporting the CC north of CR466, the facilities will also change just like your Hacienda Hills and Katie Belles. I too liked the original Katie Belles and had fun, drinks, and food there. However, many of your neighbors came for the glass of water and entertainment...thus Katie Belles and the Steak House had to go.....they were non profitable. Regardless of the reasons, Hacienda Hills suffered the same situation. Your area almost lost Tierra del Sol restuarant, but the Developers became creative and developed a play house and golf course restuarant. As good as TDS turned out, you may enjoy equal benefit of the Hacienda Hills redevelopment. The times you had in the late 1990s and early 2000s are good memories, but time moves on and you have to look forward to the new memories to be made.

[ProfessorDave]

Wow. Are you serious? What if they were to build a prison? They own it - they can do it? What if they put in a paper factory (they smell)? They own it - they can do what they want to it?

The legal fact is - was a "reliance to their own detriment." Which means - they purchased with a reasonable assumption of what they were investing in (country club, etc.) and - they were lied to.

The other simple fact is this. In a few short months - with Katie Belle's and this - the Morse family has diminished trust by thousands of Villages. The business model was driven by very happy people literally "begging" friends to move here to. That is their "golden goose" or in business called their "strategic competitive advantage."

Knowing the attitude is "I own it - I can do whatever I want" is an "in your face" attitude. Personally - I really like living her overall - but I understand the people who are very upset. I lost trust in the Morse family - and will be less likely to encourage friends to move here. Why? Because who knows what the Developer will do - because it is all about money - not the purpose and trust and strategic business model that came before him. Overtime, The Villages won't be so special - just bigger than other retirement communities; that would be a shame.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by VApeople

What has changed for the homeowners?

They paid a premium for a lot on the golf course and the golf course still exists.

The word is that the developer is closing down and developing 9 holes of the 27 hole golf course.