[justjim]

The push/pull type valves that are installed in the house in The Villages should be eliminated by code in new construction. Problem solved in the long run for the most part. What’s next? When you buy a new washer the delivery won’t include hooking up the washer hoses. Next they will leave the appliance on the front yard because they would be liable if they ruin your hardwood floors. Customer service is just about non-existent. The stores should include in their price whatever it takes to make the appliance useable or let you know upfront that you have to hire an additional person to finish the job. There are aged widows and widowers who can’t do these so called simple jobs.

[Mustagotlost]

We bought a new refrigerator from Lowe’s. The sales people told us to replace the push/pull valve.

[DLJ1657]

Originally Posted by dbcolli

I was caught off guard when the installers said they are not allowed to hook up the existing water line to the fridge. The flex line is connected to a push pull valve that is recessed in the wall. I hooked it up as soon as the left and it works fine. I was talking to a friend and he had the same thing happen and had to have a plumber install a new valve/tubing.
Have there been Issues with the tubing/valve. My home was built in 2004.
I know my toilets have the same valves and connected tubing

We purchased new appliances from HD in 2017; our home was built in 2005. When ordering in the store they quizzed us about the existing valve and said it had to be upgraded before they would install the new refrigerator because (I don’t think) these push-pull valves are up to code today. At the moment I can’t recall if we had the plumber come and replace the same day, but earlier, than delivery or if we just ordered the new parts with the refrigerator and the delivery guys took care of it when they installed the refrigerator, but I know it had to be done. As we do improvements, we are working to upgrade all of the push-pull valves in the house.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Once they touch it they own it and would be responsible for any leaks that could possibly occur.

Correct! It's a liability issue (even if the HD employee doesn't acknowledge that). HD will not take responsibility for water connections and possible leaks.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Catalina36

I am new to the V. The second picture I am thinking is the push and pull valve?? If that is correct. Is the valve threaded on to the pipe? Did not know that was a push pull valve. The round knob looks like a turn valve. I will look at replacing this valve myself. Thanks for the info.

The plastic push-puil valves do not turn. You pull it out to close and push it in to open. I don't see any reason to replace one valve unless you replace all of them. You probably have about 10 push-pull valves in your house.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by robtheplumber

Hello..

I am a licensed plumber..

Home depot are using delivery or handyman ect to bring your fridge..

They are correct to not be installing any "potable" water valves in your household..

At least in canada(where i reside) its illegal for anyone other then a licensed plumber to work on potable water..this is your drinking water and you could potentially be poisined with using the wrong materials by some cowboy who has not been properly trained..
Thanks

I respect that you are a licensed plumber!
However there is a prevision in the code that allows any plug in appliance that doesn't fall under the code which su*ks. Trust me it is a addendum, the big box stores has taken the position not to take the liability.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

Strange. I bought a refrigerator up north from Home Depot and they completely installed it. Maybe it’s State by State or the manager of your store just does not want to take the responsibility. Do you know if the people who came to install it were Home Depot employees or were they third party subcontractors? That could be the case.

Home Depot doesn't have any employees who install appliances. They hire contractors who are not licensed plumbers. But, I think they should connect the water line to the refrigerator as part of the installation, otherwise they haven't installed the appliance. If they are concerned about liability, then they should hire licensed plumbers. If they are concerned about the plastic push-pull valves, then they should bring a metal valve to replace the plastic valve. A metal valve only costs a few dollars. I wouldn't buy a refrigerator from someone who is not prepared to install it.

[Chellybean]

You do not need a licensed plumber!
I believe this is a unfair ruling by DBPR and Legislation to licensed contractors

see attachment's

[retiredguy123]

I think the plastic push-pull valve issue is somewhat overblown. Most houses in The Villages have about 10 of these valves. Yes, they are cheap, flimsy valves, but I have not heard of many serious water leaks caused by the valves. You can spend hundreds of dollars replacing them, but I don't think many people are concerned enough to do that. And, any valve you install could also cause a water leak.

[dadoiron]

Originally Posted by robtheplumber

Hello..

I am a licensed plumber..

Home depot are using delivery or handyman ect to bring your fridge..

They are correct to not be installing any "potable" water valves in your household..

At least in canada(where i reside) its illegal for anyone other then a licensed plumber to work on potable water..this is your drinking water and you could potentially be poisined with using the wrong materials by some cowboy who has not been properly trained..
Thanks

Been doing my own plumbing for 30+ years with no issues.

Just follow the plumbing books or online tutorials and you'll be fine.

You'ld have to be really daft to poison yourself.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by dadoiron

Been doing my own plumbing for 30+ years with no issues.

Just follow the plumbing books or online tutorials and you'll be fine.

You'ld have to be really daft to poison yourself.

BE careful in Florida my friend it is a whole different world with DBPR and insurance companies. If you have a water leak and your insurance company finds out a hook up was done by a unlicensed contractor they use that as grounds to screw with your settlement, JFYI.

[SunnyTodayFL]

In 2013 I was told that this is a Code violation issue. ‘Appliance delivery people’ (I just made up that term, but you know what I mean) are not permitted to connect equipment to “plumbing” (and if a Building Permit is required for a summer kitchen or remodeling, all such ‘plumbing’ is supposed to be done by a licensed plumber and is subject to inspection). I am not sure if it is a County Code issue or State. But, as people mentioned above, you don’t really need to hire a licensed plumber to finish installing a dishwasher/fridge if you or someone you know is handy (or you hire an independent ‘handyman’ that is willing to do it).

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by SunnyTodayFL

In 2013 I was told that this is a Code violation issue. ‘Appliance delivery people’ (I just made up that term, but you know what I mean) are not permitted to connect equipment to “plumbing” (and if a Building Permit is required for a summer kitchen or remodeling, all such ‘plumbing’ is supposed to be done by a licensed plumber and is subject to inspection). I am not sure if it is a County Code issue or State. But, as people mentioned above, you don’t really need to hire a licensed plumber to finish installing a dishwasher/fridge if you or someone you know is handy (or you hire an independent ‘handyman’ that is willing to do it).

read the state law ruling above in pdf form and you have your answer!

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by dadoiron

Been doing my own plumbing for 30+ years with no issues.

Just follow the plumbing books or online tutorials and you'll be fine.

You'ld have to be really daft to poison yourself.

With PEX tubing, a crimping devise, shark bites, and just about any imaginable fitting readily available, just about anyone do their own plumbing these days.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Well, except when you disconnect the old fridge.

An EXCELLENT, and very important point ! Bravo !