[Robbb]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

Noooo not in Minnesota, starting pay for an RN is app $45, with just a touch of overtime they are in the 100K range.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.

As I understand it, the people that own those apartment buildings and other rental income properties pay taxes. I would think that the more properties that exist the more tax monies go into the city, town and county coffers to pay for additional police, fire, schools and other essential services.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by RICH1

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

The problem IS that ALL around the country EMPLOYERS are having trouble getting enough employees at the wages that they have become accustomed to paying. Note : real wages with respect to inflation have stagnated for about the last 15 years. However, in the last 2 years, the EMPLOYEES have realized that they have SOME small amount of POWER and they are asking and getting small wage increases.
.....it seems unavoidable that both YOUNGER residents and live-in-the-bubble workers will be an increasing part of life in the NEWER southern regions of the Villages. And just as an aside, both groups may be interested in new sports and activities and less in the longer, bigger GOLF courses. We talked about that in another thread. Face it TV Land is EVOLVING. And that is NOT necessarily a BAD THING.
.......I believe the reason that there are fewer available WORKERS has something to do with the Pandemic because this worker shortage started AFTER the Pandemic. I have NOT heard the exact reason as to WHY many workers got out of the labor market ???????
......It is possible that here in the Villages and especially in the new southern region that the Village Administration decided that they NEEDED to entice workers to come or stay in this area, (WITHOUT greatly increasing their wages) by providing them good local housing benefits. I do NOT know that for a fact, just my guess.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Yep tell that to a 18 yo, that future is more important than the next 4 years. Health care is not the calling it used to be. I have 45 plus years in Operating Room, and counting. The reason hospitals are short is many retired during the two year hiatus of Covid. With the option of returning, however most chose to just walk away.

We could see what every position made in my system that owned 300 plus facilities, all over the country. It was incentive to post hourly wages from starting to top. Oncology for an RN, not much up grade.

ICU, ED, OR, are at the middle, depending on added on certification. However, $100,000 isn’t in any RN scale. NP, ORNP, PA, PAOR, can make six figures, but not all.

House RN mom, which was mid management, but never enough money to put up with all the crap.
Even with many of us working 60 plus hours a week durning Covid, $100,000 was never in the mix. Many were furloughed or hours cut.

Both of us have 45 years each in multi healthcare facilities, our kids, are Doctors, PAOR and RNOR, certified.

Granddaughter is started med school this year, trauma orthopedic is her passion, like her grandfather. But conversation this weekend was “ I just figured out by the time I finish residency, I will be $700,000 in debt”. And then I still have to enter into my trauma orthopedics specialty.

She said sometimes she questions debt could reach a million dollars and will it worth it. Then she goes to cadaver lab, sees how fractured bones could have been repaired better, and knows it’s all worth the money,

University and College Presidents and their staff make WAY too much money. But, people want DESPERATELY to get an education and a degree so that THEY, in turn, can make the BIG bucks. It's kind of like a human hampster wheel.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

And I remember when the 10% tip was the norm which then went to 15% and then 18% and now everyone is pushing 20%. Thankfully they do the math now and make tip suggestions on the check in case you can’t do math. All the while the base cost of the meal goes up and up and up. And why carrying a plate of porterhouse steak to your table warrants a higher tip than that plate of meatloaf makes no sense to me at all. Tip based on level of service not on the cost of the plat.

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.

[jimjamuser]

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.
Sorry....duplicate

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JGibson

OP managed to cover 3 complaints in one post.

Housing
Minimum Wage
Tipping

Maybe OP had a bad day or just needs to let up on consuming the media a little bit.

So TV is not paying for the housing.

The minimum wage in Florida is one of the lowest in the country.

Tipping is always optional.

I hope you have a better day.

Possibly OVER-caffination ?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by RICH1

Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …

Not sure that it is 20 million, but whatever, any number IS too much for me.....we agree about that. And that will influence wage structure and hospital costs and a multitude of situations.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Janie123

Let’s see, Villagers complain about service at restaurants… mostly due to lack of staff. I note some FB posts recently where a few of the CC restaurants cancelled breakfast service due to lack of staff. We were at Cody’s mid week. We can tell the staff was short. Handed. Our server was out of breath a few times coming to our table so her tips could suffer as the time between visits were too long.

I digress… Wildwood and other towns around the villages see and hear about short staffed establishments and decide to subsidize housing for more minimum wage workers. Is that any different that the state and cities giving large tax credits to large corporations to bring their businesses to FL? Subsidized housing is the same IMHO just 1-2 people at a time.

Also IMHO, the service is very good in and around the villages (with some exceptions) as I compare it to Denver/Aurora where we moved from… seems to me more hard working folks want to get out of poverty or just struggling workers vs. workers that have more of an entitled mindset… but just my $.02.

With inflation, that would NOW be $ .035

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Charlie'sDad

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.

Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Look out everyone....Popeye's gonna eat some spinach!!!!!

That was EXTREMELY humorous. It lightened things up nicely.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

Originally Posted by RICH1 [edited]
Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. ... Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! ...

Reply by Blueash:
[edited]. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?



I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.

True.......that the wording WAS confusing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tvbound

"Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow."


I can only assume that there aren't any mods around right now, because they normally would have instantly deleted that threatening post, as they're usually pretty good about keeping impotent keyboard warriors/extremists from getting away with things like that...which was beyond the pale.

As usual, a voice of reason !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)

Facebook uses sophisticated, SECRET programming to try to KEEP users on for longer and longer periods of time. Thus exposing them to more advertisements. They have found that anger and other emotions get users to move away from the middle of the road to more and more extremes of thought. And NOT just Facebook. When this programming strategy aligns with users with mental problems, then society suffers. I believe that the US is experiencing a large number of murders and serious crime to start 2023. And 2022 had those same problems.
.......I believe that America is doing a worse job of controlling internet media that the Europeans. Also, we lead the world in FIREARMS by a HUGE margin. that is another factor that works against the US.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

As I understand it, the people that own those apartment buildings and other rental income properties pay taxes. I would think that the more properties that exist the more tax monies go into the city, town and county coffers to pay for additional police, fire, schools and other essential services.

I doubt that there is a simple LINEAR relationship between the population of any city or area like The Villages and the tax money NEEDED to be collected. For example, it takes MORE equipment and specialized people to fight 5 story fires than all single story. Most everything has a bell-shaped curve, so some amounts of population would be more or less efficient than some other points. For example, younger families would have more children than senior residents , therefore requiring more schools, classrooms, and buses.
..... A lot of factors would have to be analyzed to determine the optimal quality of life and the most efficient use of taxes. Growth for growth's sake might NOT be optimal.