[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by cabo35

James Q. Wilson, a famous social scientist authored the "Broken Windows" theory on crime and its proliferation. In a very short but precise excerpt the theory held as follows:

In Mr. Wilson’s metaphor —(in a neighborhood) "when a window is broken and someone fixes it, that is a sign that disorder will not be tolerated. But “one unrepaired broken window,” they wrote, “is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.” I have understated the theory to make it brief for this forum. Feel free to explore it in detail. Volumes have been written about it and it does apply to The Villages.

William Bratten, the former NYPD Commisioner who is given credit for significantly improving conditions in NYC was a disciple of Wilson's "Broken Window theory'.

Your suggestion of, "So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park.", is a spot on example and precisely the attitude that causes crime, decay and loss of property values in communities.

It is not a rich person problem as you arrogantly state. It is a problem for everyone who desires to live in a safe, secure, clean community.

Have a nice evening.

Your post is very true. It was a very simple explanation of a complex social problem. Very well done and quite effective.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Peachie

No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Up until the mid-2000's there were pool monitors at all the pools in The Villages, but these minimum wage part-time positions were done away with because they were too expensive, so they said. There was a big uproar over this at the time.

Another thread states that there is a meeting at 7:00pm in Fruitland Park about the proposed development of the dairy farm. It would seem that anyone who lives close to 466A would be better served to attend that meeting, since they will more directly effected by an additional 4000 people shopping at the Colony Publix.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Up until the mid-2000's there were pool monitors at all the pools in The Villages, but these minimum wage part-time positions were done away with because they were too expensive, so they said. There was a big uproar over this at the time.

Another thread states that there is a meeting at 7:00pm in Fruitland Park about the proposed development of the dairy farm. It would seem that anyone who lives close to 466A would be better served to attend that meeting, since they will more directly effected by an additional 4000 people shopping at the Colony Publix.

Watching over the years how the Morse family has grown and developed what is arguably the most beautiful community in north central FL by a long shot, I wouldn't worry one iota about them making an additional 4000 people shop at Colony Publix. The development would be planned beautifully, I guarantee it. Nope, don't know the Morse's, bless 'em.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by EdV

But I'll grant you one thing, you are tenacious.

And you too, Ed. Touche' ;-)

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by truered58

If your roads were and cart paths were built with government tax free bonds then they are not private and that is why you can push a red or silver button at any gate and get in. They are not private, PERIOD!! Now if you would like us to pay a trail fee of $120.00 like you do a year I do not have a problem with that at all. Just saying.......Let's be happy please!!

The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds. The tax tax free bonds issued by the VCCDD under dispute by the IRS relate to recreational and utility revenue bonds.
Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads).
Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable.
Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by xNYer

The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds. The tax tax free bonds issued by the VCCDD under dispute by the IRS relate to recreational and utility revenue bonds.
Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads).
Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable.
Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community.

One hour and ten minutes to a resolution, hopefully.

[JeffAVEWS]

You talk about impact, the modern dairy farm I saw is not a bunch of cows standing in a pasture chewing grass! They are standing in a feed lot, fed a special diet, and get milked on a race track carousel, then back to the feed lot. Wait to you get a whiff of that!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS

You talk about impact, the modern dairy farm I saw is not a bunch of cows standing in a pasture chewing grass! They are standing in a feed lot, fed a special diet, and get milked on a race track carousel, then back to the feed lot. Wait to you get a whiff of that!

Is that called a free feature in a development?

[Steve9930]

You can tell everyone is already at the meeting. This thread is slowed down to a crawl. Wait till they get back. You will not be able to read the posts fast enough.......

[EdV]

Originally Posted by xNYer

The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds......

They most certainly were Tax Free Municipal Bonds. Where in the world did you come up with the idea that they weren't ?

This is tiring me out. I need a drink. Barkeep, make it a double.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by EdV

They most certainly were Tax Free Municipal Bonds. Where in the world did you come up with the idea that they weren't ?

This is tiring me out. I need a drink. Barkeep, make it a double.

You on your cell phone posting this? The meeting is only an hour away.....

Too bad someone could not bring up some live video....

[JeffAVEWS]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Is that called a free feature in a development?

Someone posted that the people south of 466a would be better served going to a meeting in Fruitland Park about the dairy farm, I grabbed the wrong quote. sorry.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS

Someone posted that the people south of 466a would be better served going to a meeting in Fruitland Park about the dairy farm, I grabbed the wrong quote. sorry.

Yep, there's a another brew HAHA down in Fruitland Park......

[justjim]

XNYer: You make some good points. Everybody is entitled to their opinion or opinions on the subject of Multi Use Modal Trails in TV and Wheather they are open to the public to use the same as the roads and streets in TV. Some say yes and some say no they are different from the roads and streets. That appears to be the main issue debated here in this Thread. Frankly, it's above my "pay grade" to really know the answer to that question. Maybe, just maybe we will soon know the answer.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by justjim

XNYer: You make some good points. Everybody is entitled to their opinion or opinions on the subject of Multi Use Modal Trails in TV and Wheather they are open to the public to use the same as the roads and streets in TV. Some say yes and some say no they are different from the roads and streets. That appears to be the main issue debated here in this Thread. Frankly, it's above my "pay grade" to really know the answer to that question. Maybe, just maybe we will soon know the answer.

Ah. The posts after the meeting.....What if the answer is NOT what some of the more prolific posters wanted to hear??

Do you think the posters who didn't get the "right" answer will quietly disappear or will we get some interesting "spin"?

Life is sure interesting in these parts!