[Rainger99]

Does anyone have an explanation as to how the Spanish Flu ended without a vaccine? It lasted a little over two years and killed approximately 50,000,000 people worldwide. Covid has also been around for about two years and even though we have a vaccine, it does not look why we are anywhere close to an end of the pandemic.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ummmm, not quite:

In the deadly Spanish influenza pandemic of 1918-19, investigators attempted to develop vaccines to prevent influenza, though they had not yet correctly identified the causative pathogen. A variety of killed whole cell bacterial vaccines were tested; these vaccines included Bacillus influenzae (now know as Haemophilus influenzae) and strains of pneumococcus, streptococcus, staphylococcus, and Moraxella catarrhalis bacteria. These vaccines would certainly not have prevented influenza infection--as we know now, the pandemic was caused by a new strain of the influenza A virus. Influenza viruses would not be isolated and identified until the 1930s, and the first commercial influenza vaccines were not licensed in the United States until the 1940s.

SmallPox Vaccine was used as early as 1805 in Italy. While it had been used in the US for a hundred years, it was not licensed by the FDA til 1931. I believe the post said that there was a Spanish Flu vaccine being given in 1918 that killed many. I guess that It being an experimental vaccine we should not be shocked by the deaths. I didn't see anyone other than above mention it was licensed.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Yucatan2

Replying to Bonnevie: This is a very interesting link I had not seen before, thank you for posting it. You can drill down to the stats on each county, as well as each hospital. It appears The Villages hospital almost always has high occupancy in ICU, whether there are a lot of Covid admissions or not.

That is because ICU beds expand and contract, according to need.

No sense staffing 50 ICU beds when only 20 are needed.

Hospitals typically shoot for 80% of capacity...

[Koapaka]

Oh please....you want to know what is really going on ANYWERE, check the sewage system.... you can say whatever the hell you want but biproducts expelled by humans into the sewer system tell the REAL story! Omicron is dominant in wastewater samples in Florida county

[nancyre]

Review the state data by zip code, as the Villages exists in 3 counties.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

SmallPox Vaccine was used as early as 1805 in Italy. While it had been used in the US for a hundred years, it was not licensed by the FDA til 1931. I believe the post said that there was a Spanish Flu vaccine being given in 1918 that killed many. I guess that It being an experimental vaccine we should not be shocked by the deaths. I didn't see anyone other than above mention it was licensed.

Actually, the first reference to smallpox vaccination was during the Ming dynasty in 1567-1572. Edward Jenner in England is credited with a true vaccine that didn't use smallpox, but rather cowpox

[patfla06]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

I think Covid is rampant in the Villages.
I see so many with masks on...they must be sick.

We are all in danger again.

I do NOT or have never had Covid.

I continue to wear a mask to continue to use caution. I don’t want to get the flu
or any other illness. Just trying to stay as healthy as possible.

[Djean1981]

You can get covid, experience mild symptoms, and not even know it...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by blueash

There are two kinds of anti-vaxxers. Those who refuse to take the shots themselves, and those that do not believe that vaccines are a necessary public health measure to protect others. You have clearly stated, if I recall your posts, that you are opposed to any vaccine mandates or passports or similar actions. Perhaps I have you confused with another poster. If so, I apologize, and I'll accept your assertion that you got the sarcasm of the original posting about the Spanish flu.

You are correct regarding my stance on vaccine mandates. I believe in vaccines/vaccinations, but I am against MANDATES. That does NOT make me anti-vax. There really is a difference and I would think that you would know the difference.
I also believe that a business owner should be able to make whatever requirements they wish to make regarding entry into their establishment, to include masking and/or vaccinations. I believe that is their prerogative. And it is your free will to NOT frequent their business if you do not agree with their requirements.

[waterflower]

If you base your sats on con-vid testing from the PCR.. Please research (don't use evil google) the inventor Kary Banks Mullis. He invented the polymerase chain reaction technique. He repeatedly stated, the PCR test does not tell you that you are sick from con-vid. Dig deep on the research of this scientist. 1993 Nobel Prize winner in chemistry. He is a biochemist, PHD. Postdoctoral Fellowship in cardiology & pharmaceutical chemistry..He is not part of the big pharma mofia.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Well, sure, the idea of socks preventing pregnancy is funny; everyone knows standing up while engaged in sex prevents pregnancy.

I was about to give you a thumbs up, but then realized that someone might misconstrue that as agreeing with the idea that standing up while engaged in sex would prevent pregnancy.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by waterflower

If you base your sats on con-vid testing from the PCR.. Please research (don't use evil google) the inventor Kary Banks Mullis. He invented the polymerase chain reaction technique. He repeatedly stated, the PCR test does not tell you that you are sick from con-vid. Dig deep on the research of this scientist. 1993 Nobel Prize winner in chemistry. He is a biochemist, PHD. Postdoctoral Fellowship in cardiology & pharmaceutical chemistry..He is not part of the big pharma mofia.

fact check: Fact check: Inventor of method used to test for COVID-19 didn’t say it can’t be used in virus detection | Reuters

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by blueash

Perfect. I do love how sarcasm is so often missed. You even got a "like" from one of our anti-vaxxers as your comment fit his preconceived notions. I am fairly certain that all those who died from the Black Death AKA Bubonic Plague also were vaccinated.

Yes the vaccine of that time was drain some blood out.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I was about to give you a thumbs up, but then realized that someone might misconstrue that as agreeing with the idea that standing up while engaged in sex would prevent pregnancy.

It’s good preventer to me, I’m too old for stand up sex and the pop bellies get in road.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by patfla06

I do NOT or have never had Covid.

I continue to wear a mask to continue to use caution. I don’t want to get the flu
or any other illness. Just trying to stay as healthy as possible.

Let me see if I can word this carefully since I like you----

If some anonymous person was wearing a mask to prevent flu or "other illnesses", would it be fair to assume they were wearing a mask at least from October thru April for the last 40,50, or 60 years of their lives???? Because I didn't see too many masks prior to February 2020.

Would that same anonymous person also be under the delusion that the usual paper masks protect them from getting the flu???

Now, I would tell that anonymous person to go right ahead and do what they feel comfortable with, even though the rationale is somewhat lacking scientific evidence.